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      "id": "b34c6427e86140d3a662bcae0471507d",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "and apparently there are also issues due to the warnings field now being an array?",
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      "id": "9eb08f618c9f4de69013b05674e5acbe",
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      "sender": "Sjors[m]",
      "payload": "sipa: possibly, maybe that should also be 2.0 - only behavior?",
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      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "Since 28.0 is already tagged, any changes to these would be in a 28.1",
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      "sender": "Sjors[m]",
      "payload": "But the binaries are not release yet, so it could be 28.0.1 release.",
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      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "Sjors[m]: x.0.1 releases have typically done for build issues and without release candidates. Fixing this problem seems like it might be involved enough to want to do at least one rc",
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      "id": "2d7473dd2ecd4931bd71f230e8e3c801",
      "sender": "Sjors[m]",
      "payload": "There's probably a limit to how much effort we should put into remaining backwards compatible with very old RPC clients, but these one or two things seem reasonable to fix imo.",
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      "payload": "True, we could also ship 28.0 and warn people to be very careful about upgrading if they're using the RPC.",
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      "id": "0d077fcc46df4a708c138bb42f5fc5c7",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "the warnings string to array was done with a deprecation cycle",
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      "id": "f539083e153c4e638ead359f820d6678",
      "sender": "Sjors[m]",
      "payload": "Ok, in that case I think only the 1.0 thing should be fixed.",
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      "id": "2e5a8642b5124a8fb221de356bcd49e7",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "it also means fewer things are affected?",
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      "id": "0b82652f0f5749319eb986c9786dd5e9",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "i guess we should proceed with releasing 28.0 normally, perhaps with a warning in the release notes about this issue, and then see if we get many reports",
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      "id": "6c5144504f3e46548fa0f3991e573fa4",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "We can add more to the release notes about the jsonrpc 2.0 issue",
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      "id": "d03158aec7c8485d9bc10038c0b3e050",
      "sender": "Sjors[m]",
      "payload": "So deprecatedrpc for the warning thing is now removed?",
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    {
      "id": "c25f0688aced437c874e4d9cd0c82722",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "actually, the warnings string to array is currently in the deprecation cycle. it's not gone yet.",
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      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "In current master I still see deprecatedrpc=warnings",
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    },
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      "id": "57b36ff1bbb042cbb27cc752af8265ba",
      "sender": "stickies-v",
      "payload": "(the warnings string -> array change and -deprecatedrpc=warnings option is documented in the 28.0 release notes, btw)",
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      "id": "b263834e00914fdba5edfa8b15e0f4fd",
      "sender": "b10c",
      "payload": "-deprecatedrpc=warnings should give the old behavior",
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      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:17:17+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "b68aca670a8d4440afff75506cd5afe7",
      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "so users have the option",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:17:28+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "263c5eec547c42dd9880a4122dce0383",
      "sender": "Sjors[m]",
      "payload": "I'm trying to find out if people who run into the 1.0 issue also rely on -deprecatedrpc=warnings.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:18:18+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6ff8e6094f42493b8b50e1388c072114",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "we've followed our typical process for breaking rpc for that, so I think it's fine to leave alone",
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      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:18:24+00:00"
    },
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "agree",
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    },
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      "id": "8685a2e00f1347f4b7af87573fb2388c",
      "sender": "Sjors[m]",
      "payload": "Because they'll have to deal with both at some point in the near future.",
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      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:18:30+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "773e308fe6b44b6eacdd388987effe21",
      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "Yes. It may be",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:18:33+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "c3e09e7b7c704dde9b9c60759a492400",
      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "good to give it a couple releases before removing, no hurry",
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    },
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      "id": "23152baa8b5a43cc9518dd3819fb8480",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "we could highlight it more in the release notes, perhaps a section in the very beginning mentioning both the jsonrpc version and warning field thing",
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      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:18:55+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "bf0d7bacf6c249be8a7f6f07e5e81bda",
      "sender": "stickies-v",
      "payload": "the warnings change is also documented in the rpc docs already, so that + existing docs in release notes probably feels like enough documentation to me? but of course no objection to mentioning it at the beginning of the release notes too",
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      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:20:36+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "14216c037ca942c1945822b50e91b997",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "sipa: ack",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:20:43+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "acc8dfeb6add4b259821187ab957f1a7",
      "sender": "stickies-v",
      "payload": "the jsonrpc thing is probably a bit more obscure for users to figure out so i think highlighting that more seems sensible",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:20:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "bda562e31c254302a162def718a95aa1",
      "sender": "stickies-v",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/cfb59da4b3bb34afae467691a3e901f2b5a186f3/src/rpc/net.cpp#L663-L664",
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      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:22:16+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5425086ca4204e18aed68276d05b5d17",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "The release notes draft can still be edited: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/28.0-Release-Notes-Draft",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:23:20+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "b94f33a7b4ee4a92a54dff4233079dab",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "i'll pull in any further changes to the announce pr after the binaries are uploaded (waiting for more guix builds though)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:23:44+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "e3080b7e53d64507bacf2a6552409a16",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "and open a pr to update the in repo notes",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:23:59+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7f190fdb5568406c84488fa1f2d83d4b",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "website pr: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/1067",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:24:25+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "53b2ca9901054ce8b7a7c86e211cfab7",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "Any other topics to discuss?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:25:16+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "25fee187600e4485873c65e98261d90e",
      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "achow101: wiki edits to the release notes during the day today worth making then?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:25:26+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "58bcc9bf9e2a4ca9a6f1a3778408d678",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "jonatack: yes",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-10-03T14:25:36+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "8f7337510c284a7fa3374df872a7fd66",
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