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      "payload": "I thought maybe it could be the size of the array that is being allocated, have not tested yet though: https://github.com/davidgumberg/bitcoin/commit/64b7313437b0cadce69678efdaacb5c03c912786",
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      "payload": "it looks like the ibd regression is probably caused by blocksdir xor, so perhaps we should revert that?",
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      "payload": "i didn't observe a difference, so it might be hardware dependent too",
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      "payload": "unfortunately, windows is probably the only platform where people might want the xoring... (due to the prevalance of virus scanners there)",
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      "payload": "Turning it off for Windows until it's clear what's happening seems like a safe option.",
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      "payload": "might add a flag to turn it off so that the person reporting the issue can benchmark with it on and off?",
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      "payload": "sipa: that seems reasonable",
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      "payload": "until it's confirmed that it's really that which is the problem, turning it permanently off for any platform makes no sense",
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