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      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:16:18+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6872455f74f644539662bf9b2518f668",
      "sender": "gribble",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28921 | multiprocess: Add basic type conversion hooks by ryanofsky \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #28921 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
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      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:16:20+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2f8422453f4b42f99287136c5907a9b0",
      "sender": "gribble",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/28929 | serialization: Support for multiple parameters by ryanofsky \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #28929 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:16:21+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7fd19b33484949de811bd048696d18c3",
      "sender": "gribble",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10102 | Multiprocess bitcoin by ryanofsky \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #10102 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:16:24+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b4443a8d349f492fa1d4f189924d87d0",
      "sender": "ryanofsky",
      "payload": "That's all for me",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:16:46+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "edc47cf32a0044539bb36f2bc3ed1dd5",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "#topic Ad-hoc high priority for review",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:17:01+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5cad3f22d148425db1cf77e121e2e910",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "Anything to add or remove from https://github.com/orgs/bitcoin/projects/1/views/4",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:17:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0441bc3efd3c47d4b26989748f713af4",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "Or any other topics to discuss?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:17:39+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "adbd690a7a2f4ffbaaf0d4e1e208cf39",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "i'd like to briefly bring up #29284",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:17:42+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "55bb0120956f437197f081e54bcd7423",
      "sender": "gribble",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29284 | Choose earliest-activatable as tie breaker between equal-work chains by sipa \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #29284 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:17:43+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "aa25fa5c6f984b1494661549cc9992c5",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "sipa: as a topic?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:17:59+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b42bd1ac6bc545ffb5a7c78bc5f14591",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "in theory, it's a huge change, in practice i don't think it'll really affect anything",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:18:48+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3a57a4a829864915b5385a991be15a6c",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "but i'd like to draw some attention to it",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:18:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "361ec299f9b345c38ed605d4b4814d11",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "that's it, unless people have questions",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:19:01+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ebf2127e9ae04f15b61b27f4f06460ee",
      "sender": "vasild",
      "payload": "hi",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:20:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cd8665e197a448a5965435c6b8dc4525",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "s/huge/fundamental/",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:22:22+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7110ab83dd9c4d61882289ae252ade70",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "anything else to talk about?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:22:51+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "41ebdf3e13b24260846b82f1d3268ef5",
      "sender": "josie",
      "payload": "if there are no other topics, is there q update on the mailing list?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:22:59+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5bbcfa41b36348d981d0fda8cbd133a8",
      "sender": "vasild",
      "payload": "where is the mailing list migrating to?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:23:06+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7f84843f91d94c56bc219c9ed982101a",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "last I heard, mailing list is actually shutting down imminently and will be moving to groups.io. Maybe RubenSomsen can provide more details?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:23:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "9f1b6cd06d064c4690ad84258dfa80f1",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "kanzure: i am baffled to hear \"i am AFK\" coming from you",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:23:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "93223512c5864d5c9a936e53efd2c92a",
      "sender": "_aj_",
      "payload": "sipa: neuralink announced its first human subject the other day?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:24:23+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "69b4cbbd31cc43e2b2a04ca3d65ca1b0",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "I found some issues with groups io, we've been talking with them to get it resolved",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:24:35+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "57c4e28e792746d6b4828da5d41db5fb",
      "sender": "Murch[m]",
      "payload": "Good point, I thought kanzure and his keyboard were a permanent cybernetic system",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:24:39+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "09149ccd2bbe46b796859167f5c658f0",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "RubenSomsen: can you say what kind of issues?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:25:08+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1aba1e94453b4898a971fac4d4f1ce74",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "We might still opt for Google groups depending on how it pans out",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:25:15+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a624724958874607ac30a2bd9282975e",
      "sender": "josie",
      "payload": "in the meanwhile, is delving the best place for soliciting feedback on proposals?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:25:43+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f54680bf22da49cf8bf37ef941b7c19f",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "Emails had an unsubscribe link that required no authentication. Forwarding an email would allow whoever received the email to unsubscribe you.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:26:03+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7bd5368495fe4174b935d478bbaac75f",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "RubenSomsen: ouch",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:26:13+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b30df971dfe749f0a100673a05e90c7e",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "delving seems to be starting to get a pretty good crowd",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:26:24+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "53450a8c0ba744d2ba8edcf40680d85a",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "Imo the mailing list should continue to exist, and delving alongside it",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:27:12+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "4d7052a7713b4f2facd0a632bddfcb9c",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "any idea when the migration will be completed?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:27:40+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d27ca42a98374ae6b1d7c849d1fa2b20",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "no longer being able to send to the list now is kinda bothersome, especially for conversations that were happening on the list and not elsewhere",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:28:14+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "14c38091d7af42de9bf1927daf566820",
      "sender": "vasild",
      "payload": "what would a migration look like? a migration of some web-archive of past emails, or would existent subscribers would automatically be subscribed to e.g. bitcoin@groups.io?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:29:14+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "9a5bb02caadc4971b8805a357339126f",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "The bug was just fixed. I just tested and confirmed. We want to finalize things soon. Especially if we're stopping emails on the current list that forces us to do something asap.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:29:33+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7d3d2dad90fb4110960c65c42234b9e2",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "great",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:30:38+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2fb8e0e2c13a42d680459f2a7421a146",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "vasild: to be determined, but it may be cleaner to let people re-subscribe. We have a lot of weird subscribers that are probably spam.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:32:20+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1b9a5f0f94e14df4adb23ccee29404c0",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "presumably there'll be a final email on the current list with instructions",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:32:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fe64c19c3f3d4cbc870247ed82032fda",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "yeah",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:33:03+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cec5f303cebd48ad868eb11ee84eacaa",
      "sender": "vasild",
      "payload": "ok, so it looks like there is nothing to be migrated? just a new list people can use (subscribe and send emails to)?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:33:37+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f7d1a419718c4f3884152bf4ac877854",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "given the mbox comment, i guess the history will be imported?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:33:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6647f3c78302477ead8d7eccbd5d9a7d",
      "sender": "vasild",
      "payload": "right, which I guess will be available via some kind of web ui?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:34:51+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d9002f96da884111814f79482c39cb73",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "wherever the new official archive is, I think history will also be imported there too, so it'll all be in one place. otherwise, it's just a new mailing list",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:34:57+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5d80b188a7124a8a91226bfbbeb5e51c",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "I think that's more for archiving purposes than importing.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:35:02+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a0c0ac7753e84e09af25a3666f04ab51",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "RubenSomsen: oh, unfortunate",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:35:20+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "61a1dbe5a75d4f5984ae2debdc0d9701",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "We have to archive the new mailing list somewhere too, so maybe that place can host both the new and old archive",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:35:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c48f83f14f46454a88d466438ada29c1",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "anything else to discuss?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:37:34+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3db7c90b613e4904a6fd58a560f675b8",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "I'd be curious to hear if anyone has strong objections to Google groups. We're currently experimenting with both.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:38:04+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6af8edd2ad03466d9f70fa04213eda77",
      "sender": "maxedw",
      "payload": "Is one free and one not? Does that factor?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:39:02+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a8cbe0d1c25343e8b113a8cdd3856a53",
      "sender": "vasild",
      "payload": "is it going to be this one https://groups.io/g/bitcoindev ?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:39:13+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b3ddaa508d114d7d8ad44d5d8165efa2",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "If we're going with groups io then yes, but that's to be determined",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:39:34+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "66f122cfbbd344f896bc285a1c7a1c46",
      "sender": "vasild",
      "payload": "RubenSomsen: not sure if that counts as \"strong objection\", but I would not subscribe to google groups",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:39:43+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "843b968aeed343c895efced2015fd155",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "groups is unfortunately paid per subscriber, which could potentially be an issue if we get mass subscription spam",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:40:47+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d30043a91e97468fa0d2fe57af6dd0b3",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "vasild: it would be helpful to know why you wouldn't",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:41:16+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7f67a44016154b5da737b7fa900832dd",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "how many subscribers does the current list have?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:42:42+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d811b9ef5c244319b7b43ff1e52926b3",
      "sender": "vasild",
      "payload": "RubenSomsen: because I think it is against bitcoin mindset (at least my mindset) and also against an attempt to de-google myself",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:42:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "69a61272f3ff45fcb4d2cca069607484",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "2000",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:42:59+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c4fa3546a1cc4d11b1e79e904c5f03d0",
      "sender": "_aj_",
      "payload": "if groups.io fixes things when you complain, that seems like it's probably better than what you'd get from google?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:43:08+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f67577a8e6204fd1a59a3386ca3b2cf6",
      "sender": "vasild",
      "payload": "(not trying to focrce my opinion on anybody, I don't mind if people are happy with google groups, it is just that I will not use it)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:43:30+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "bc31b63eb75c4f7eacd2878cd9049bd9",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "_aj_: Yes, we're happy with how responsive they've been.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:43:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c42e65c9768b4c6db8e974b17dfcaa97",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "Sorry 4000, misremembered",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:45:23+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ca5a6353ad8f45f28e4556de21385b8b",
      "sender": "vasild",
      "payload": "$0.04 per member per month, that is $160/month (https://groups.io/static/pricing)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:45:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5602f2dad0db4465914faee2d13cfe3a",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "i guess the main thing is that groups.io could get expensive?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:46:11+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a33475ad10ab47a0927ec3c8d6674e2e",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "We can easily find people to sponsor that amount, but if we get spammed with subscribers that could become an issue",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:46:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "4c4b271a1ea4460bb6481693030fd656",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "i do agree with vasild' sentiment about google groups, though pragmatically, i would still subscribe",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:46:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "141f9131d4da43a580dcdd49ea242372",
      "sender": "vasild",
      "payload": "achow101: yeah, that $0.04 may be rised in the future",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:47:35+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8f6fd276cbe742a9b4ae9b9b46f64bed",
      "sender": "_aj_",
      "payload": "setup a btcpay store and require people to pay 50c to stay subscribed after a year?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:47:37+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "54e74dc29bc743d2914116bd6f790a07",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "and groups.io is probably not that different from a cost for hosting ourselves if we need to pay people to maintain things",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:47:47+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "daa176409f4e4f6fa443bad5d6b2912e",
      "sender": "hebasto",
      "payload": "if there is possibility to spam some adversary will use it",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:48:03+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6b586b26649c44f196494225afafed3e",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "RubenSomsen: is there some kind of spam protection we could get? like if there is a sudden influx of subscribers that get kicked quickly, we don't get billed for it?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:48:36+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "15528e96a6e9430695ee3abd7c8e4fb1",
      "sender": "vasild",
      "payload": "too many spam/unwanted subscribers should be a common problem for any group at groups.io, how do they solve it?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:48:51+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a6dc4a9584054ad8b9b7098ba5a3a8f9",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "maybe this discussion belongs elsewhere, though",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:49:20+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c0687aed626249939e81fea2da5dacb6",
      "sender": "_aj_",
      "payload": "on the mailing list? :)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:49:31+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "051ba37b498543b8beb534ac8d296da9",
      "sender": "RubenSomsen",
      "payload": "sipa: I sent them my concern about mass subscription and am awaiting the reply. Hopefully they have some thoughts.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:49:34+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c1c4de40dd3a4de0892af2bcb28f94c4",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "_aj_: i thought there was an IRC channel about discussing the migration too",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:49:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3d280827c01d4c1384eddb37629edcd1",
      "sender": "vasild",
      "payload": "even groups.io have incentive to sneak some moderate dummy subscribers themselves",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2024-02-01T14:49:56+00:00"
    },
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