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      "payload": "The main thing I would like is feedback on the design doc #28978. The audience is supposed to be bitcoin core developers, so I want to make sure it sure it understandable to other developers without requiring much background knowledge, and answers any questions. Link is to the doc is https://github.com/ryanofsky/bitcoin/blob/pr/ipcdoc/doc/design/multiprocess.md",
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