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      "payload": "I would have suspects bare multisig?",
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      "payload": "sipa: right, we probably only _need_ it for external transactions (p2p, receiving in wallet)",
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      "payload": "presumably to reduce cpu DoS, without outright denying the txns?",
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      "payload": "I think non-adjusted is only relevant because BIP141 specified it",
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      "payload": "but not in practice",
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      "id": "b86bc6e3d77e416bb7f2058f18a2d61b",
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      "payload": "I don't think so. We only use non-adjusted when we don't have the prev inputs",
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      "payload": "otoh it's also much simpler to calculate",
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      "payload": "eg, it might not even be possible to get adjusted vsize for historical txs not in our wallet",
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      "payload": "my suggestion would be to document it; if people care about the consensus-relevant part, there is always weight too, which is more accurate and is unadjusted",
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      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "if not for the complexity of the adjusted-vsize caclulations, I would almost prefer to just say vsize is always adjusted and weight is consensus",
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      "sender": "_aj_",
      "payload": "could change our rpc fields to say \"ajdvsize\" when we've taken sigops into account?",
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      "sender": "instagibbs",
      "payload": "\"aj\" hmmm",
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      "sender": "_aj_",
      "payload": "yeah, pick what my fingers like to type",
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      "payload": "well, that's part of why I think vsize vs weight is a better approach, it has a clear distinction",
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      "payload": "cfields opened a RFC pr for the clientversion https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28327",
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      "sender": "TheCharlatan",
      "payload": "Likewise, I opened a RFC pr for multi index https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28335",
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      "sender": "TheCharlatan",
      "payload": "The goal with these is to receive some feedback on the approaches and concept.",
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      "payload": "that's it :)",
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      "payload": "No need to look at 28327, I believe it'll be obsoleted by #25284 which IS interesting and worth reviewing :)",
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      "payload": "#topic assumeutxo updates (jamesob)",
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      "sender": "josie",
      "payload": "would love to see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28246 get merged",
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      "payload": "Anything to add or remove from https://github.com/orgs/bitcoin/projects/1/views/4",
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      "id": "fbda0124a09a4c8c9a3b342030e6862d",
      "sender": "josie",
      "payload": "in general, I think it makes a lot of sense on its own, and I'm also building off of it in #28122",
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      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "josie: added it to the board",
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      "payload": "Murch: will look at it, eventually",
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      "payload": "#topic log api (_aj_)",
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      "payload": "hi, jon atack's been working on severity based logging for a while - #25203 - and been advocating for switching to its api in various prs eg https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28364#discussion_r1310579410",
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      "payload": "i think it looks really clunky, `LogPrintLevel(BCLog::NET, BCLog::Level::Debug, \"sendtxrcncl received ...` so a while ago suggested simplifying it, and more recently did a concrete PR #28318 based on that (giving LogDebug(BCLog::NET, \"sendtxrc...\") instead)",
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      "id": "1d8f19c85df849f9be086c8562cd2e13",
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      "payload": "just wondered if people had thoughts, or if everyone's already agreed on LogPrintLevel(NET, DEBUG, \"...\") everywhere or ...",
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "i don't have a particularly strong opinion, but avoiding clutter sounds nice",
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      "id": "5575a9cf8758489c8cc2eb0f2aecfda9",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "less typing is more better?",
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      "id": "e5e9f0306bca42f59e9d7fb85cfad23e",
      "sender": "fanquake",
      "payload": "It's not completely clear to me what the project is (I don't think it's been active for a while, until 20576 was reopened and description rewritten in the last hour?), what the benefits are, or what needs to be done (guess slightly clearer now with new PR description). The RFC/motivation in #20576 doesn't have much discussion at all.",
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      "id": "f86466862f4e45afbfc2627ce34c9b10",
      "sender": "fjahr",
      "payload": "I does look clunky but I guess having a shorter alias for LogPrintLevel would also work for me, so no strong opinion...",
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      "id": "f98fa484315a42aeafb0e47736751c70",
      "sender": "stickies-v",
      "payload": "agreed that having clunky logging interface for the most common situations is not great, your approach in 28318 looks much cleaner indeed",
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      "id": "dc24c1c49e9d47f28c909098255e90b0",
      "sender": "fanquake",
      "payload": "Given it's not a priority project, I don't think it should be a blocker for PRs like 28364, especially when for contributors it's not necessarily clear what should be done",
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      "sender": "Murch",
      "payload": "Is jon_atack here perhaps?",
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      "id": "7ba3a9845e804bd4b300c0e2530dd2cc",
      "sender": "_aj_",
      "payload": "assume not, but we could continue the conversation on the PRs?",
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "i think so",
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      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "Any other topics to discuss?",
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      "id": "034bba7d9bb748c7a8dc2f5ffe41a743",
      "sender": "fjahr",
      "payload": "some probably read the previous conversation here, pinheadmz made a new github bot that currently lives in #bitcoin-core-github and now emulates the behavior of the matrix bridge/gh-bot. If people like it could be pointed on this channel as well. But I guess it\u00c3\u00a2\u00c2\u0080\u00c2\u0099s also fine to have a separate channel, at least that also works for me. Just wanted to put it out there as an option.",
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      "sender": "_aj_",
      "payload": "fjahr: (yeah, i just made LogDebug an macro replacing with LogPrintLevel in my pr)",
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      "id": "765d5509f8e64e0b8434092426a218b7",
      "sender": "fanquake",
      "payload": "I assume a lot of the necessary changes could also be done with scripted diffs at some point? Rather than making each induvidual PR make changes etc.",
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      "sender": "glozow",
      "payload": "so should I just leave #28364 as is? I do personally prefer the less verbose api...",
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      "payload": "+1 that log severity project should not be a blocker for package relay PRs",
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      "id": "56baf615c38a41dda73ae02f7b5092c1",
      "sender": "fanquake",
      "payload": "I think 28364 could be merged as-is, up to you though",
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      "payload": "glozow: +1 for leave as is, esp since it seems like discussion on the log stuff will be ongoing",
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      "sender": "instagibbs",
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      "sender": "gribble",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1 | JSON-RPC support for mobile devices (\"ultra-lightweight\" clients) \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Issue #1 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
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      "id": "afb540a6d9aa434cab6b2a760d8190dc",
      "sender": "instagibbs",
      "payload": "if/when direction on logging is set, things can be batch- changed",
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      "sender": "lightlike",
      "payload": "fanquake: I agree. I think if we change, we should change all logs of a given category together, and have some high-level plan of what kind of things goes into which severity level.",
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      "id": "7c64b6e191b1474f9c39c5fadd445f11",
      "sender": "glozow",
      "payload": "ok awesome. maybe when we're all together we can have a deeper logging discussion. i will leave it as is and after it's merged, I'll open a PR with the txorphanage changes + tests.",
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      "id": "066a21de6f87405b88983b9844652910",
      "sender": "Murch",
      "payload": "If people feel that it would be a worthwhile change, we could perhaps make the replacement of the logging plumbing a focus in the next release cycle?",
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      "sender": "fanquake",
      "payload": "lightlike: yea, the \"what belongs in which catergory/severity level\" isn't quite clear to me yet, and compunded with the unconditional logging and other things",
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      "sender": "Murch",
      "payload": "seems like a big enough thing to have a bunch of people coordinate on it",
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      "payload": "Modules are only expected with c++23, right? :(",
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