19:00:19 <achow101> #startmeeting 
19:00:27 <achow101> #bitcoin -core-dev Wallet Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard aureleoules b10c BlueMatt brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dongcarl fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jonatack josibake kallewoof kanzure kouloumos kvaciral laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr MacroFake Murch phantomcircuit pinheadmz promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa theStack vasild
19:00:50 <furszy> hi
19:00:52 <achow101> There are no preproposed wallet meeting topics this week
19:00:55 <LarryRuane> Hi
19:00:56 <achow101> does anyone have anything to discuss
19:03:25 <furszy> probably we should investigate #20870 deeper
19:03:26 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20870 | Option to ignore small inputs when internal wallet is building TXes? · Issue #20870 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
19:04:04 <achow101> I think the issue there is that the definition of small is subjective
19:04:26 <achow101> our definition of small is dust. this is probably too low for most people
19:05:14 <sipa> Perhaps a less lowlevel possibility is offering a way to control the long-term feerate estimate used for coin selection, on a per-transaction basis?
19:05:53 <sipa> Because I believe if that estimate is accurate, coin selection should effectively always do the right thing.
19:06:16 <achow101> that's a possibility
19:07:06 <furszy> but that is not as friendly (UX wise) as rising the "small UTXO" definition
19:07:31 <furszy> or well, letting the user change that. Which probably they already can
19:08:13 <achow101> currently changing them requires using bitcoin.conf options, which means restarting to change
19:10:02 <furszy> I meant, it's different to let the user change the long-term feerate vs let them provide an "min UTXO value".
19:10:34 <furszy> the first one will need training, the second one would be easier for them.
19:10:59 <furszy> "min selectable UTXO value" (or whatever name we want)
19:11:17 <achow101> would definitely want to see simulations of how that would affect the wallet
19:11:41 <achow101> but in principle, it doesn't seem that bad
19:11:51 <sipa> furszy: I worry that the second is too easy to understand and will just be misused
19:12:23 <sipa> there is a lot of nuance to understand when it's actually in your own best interest to spend a small UTXO
19:13:38 <furszy> hmm yeah, good point
19:15:56 <achow101> anything else to discuss?
19:17:42 <achow101> #endmeeting