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      "payload": "hebasto: IIRC it pinged Apple every time a user launches it?",
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      "payload": "yeap, it does, at least once",
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      "payload": "as i understand it it does that for every binary that is launched the first time",
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      "payload": "so my understanding was that we intentionally didn't want that, for user privacy",
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      "payload": "see e.g. the link in that issue https://sigpipe.macromates.com/2020/macos-catalina-slow-by-design/",
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      "payload": "laanwj: but notarisation IIRC did extra pinging stuff?",
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      "sender": "hebasto",
      "payload": "can we be sure that it does not ping Apple for non-notarized app?",
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      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "idk, don't really follow macOS stuff closely - but if this is going to change, probably someone should look into it",
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      "payload": "Based on https://sigpipe.macromates.com/2020/macos-catalina-slow-by-design/ I'd think it runs for every program, notarized or not.",
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      "sender": "laanwj",
      "payload": "i think attaching the notarization to the application can save a ping, not sure though",
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      "payload": "hebasto: sure, but we can refuse to actively participate in privacy-violating stuff",
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      "payload": "fanquake: sure, but it's a different scenario if we're forced to do it, vs voluntarily enabling it",
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      "payload": "for now we have multiple claims that macos removes Bitcoin Core; assuming it could be related to lack of notarization",
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      "sender": "laanwj",
      "payload": "if they really ping their server for every binary that is launched for the first time i think that's right",
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      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "might be nice to investigate a disappeared-Bitcoin system and see if the logs say why",
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      "payload": "idk how practical that is",
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      "payload": "might also be Apple just trying to force everything to go through their App Store :/",
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