19:00:19 <laanwj> #startmeeting 19:00:19 <core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 4 19:00:18 2021 UTC. The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings. 19:00:19 <core-meetingbot> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 19:00:32 <laanwj> #bitcoin -core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball 19:00:34 <laanwj> morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild 19:00:43 <jonatack> hi 19:00:52 <ariard> hi 19:00:56 <jarolrod> Hi 19:01:02 <kvaciral[m]> hi 19:01:13 <michaelfolkson> hi 19:01:22 <laanwj> no pre-proposed meeting topics for this week, anyone who would like to discuss anything? 19:02:14 <laanwj> for example what they're working on 19:02:26 <glozow> hi 19:02:27 <achow101> Hi 19:02:41 <sipa> hi 19:02:56 <b10c> hi 19:03:06 <sipa> #proposedmeetingtopic andytoshi stepping down as secp256k1 maintainer 19:03:17 <andytoshi> hi 19:03:47 <laanwj> let's start with high priority for review as usual 19:03:52 <laanwj> #topic High priority for review 19:03:52 <core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review 19:04:16 <laanwj> currently https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 11 blockers, 1 chasing concept ACK 19:04:32 <laanwj> anything to add, remove, or that is almost ready for merge? 19:04:32 <luke-jr> #proposedmeetingtopic reverting https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/296 19:06:34 <laanwj> none at all? 19:06:59 <sipa> lots of people at tabconf right now 19:07:17 <laanwj> #topic andytoshi stepping down as secp256k1 maintainer (sipa) 19:07:17 <core-meetingbot> topic: andytoshi stepping down as secp256k1 maintainer (sipa) 19:07:27 <laanwj> sipa: ohh 19:07:36 <sipa> i defer to andytoshi :p 19:07:47 <andytoshi> hiya -- i opened issue https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/issues/1003 on libsecp with a GPG-signed note 19:07:57 <andytoshi> basically saying, i have not been active as a maintainer so i'm rescinding my merge access 19:08:00 <andytoshi> i will still be a contributor 19:08:18 <andytoshi> basically, no practical change in my involvement in the bitcoin community -- just dropping merge access from this specific repo 19:08:46 <andytoshi> as of nov 8, which was an arbitrary "after i've had time to inform everyone, and to avoid the appearence of me being under duress or whatever, but otherwise immediately" 19:09:03 <andytoshi> </end> 19:09:23 <laanwj> yes, good to drop merge access if you're effectively not using it, good luck in your other projects! 19:09:27 <andytoshi> thanks! 19:10:26 <laanwj> thanks for letting us know 19:10:38 <laanwj> #topic reverting https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/296 (luke-jr) 19:10:38 <core-meetingbot> topic: reverting https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/296 (luke-jr) 19:11:01 <luke-jr> looking through actual translations, several of them did in fact make use of the %n feature, so it seems like this was a bad idea resulting in worse translations 19:11:22 <laanwj> not sure this makes sense discussing without hebasato present 19:11:25 <luke-jr> right 19:11:25 <michaelfolkson> Who are the other maintainers of secp256k1 btw? 19:11:26 <laanwj> hebasto* 19:11:35 <luke-jr> but it would be nice to reach out to the actual translators affected 19:11:37 <jarolrod> I canâÂÂt attest to the quality in the change of the translations 19:11:40 <sipa> real_or_random, nickler, me 19:11:42 <luke-jr> unfortunately I didn't see a good way to do so 19:11:45 <michaelfolkson> sipa: Thanks 19:12:00 <jarolrod> But if they were negatively impacted, it would not be controversial to revert 19:12:03 <laanwj> i really cannot judge this, i don't know any languages in which this particular change makes a difference 19:12:06 <laanwj> right 19:12:07 <jarolrod> As it is evidence that it was being used 19:12:18 <laanwj> it was being used but was it being used correctly 19:12:25 <laanwj> we need someone that knows the language in question 19:12:26 <luke-jr> does anyone know a good way to reach the translators of these languages? :/ 19:12:39 <sipa> which languages are affected? 19:12:49 <achow101> transifex has a message function 19:12:55 <laanwj> you could send a message on transifex 19:12:57 <luke-jr> bg, ca, eo, es_CL, fr, he, hr, pl, ro, sk, sl, sv, szl 19:13:00 <luke-jr> achow101: but there's so many 19:13:15 <luke-jr> I'd have to message each one individually, and no idea which are active 19:13:22 <laanwj> or even a more general wide message to get people to give their opinion on this 19:13:37 <luke-jr> hmm, I suppose an announcement could work? 19:13:39 <laanwj> yes 19:13:49 <lightlike> did native speakers of any of the affected languages confirm that it's needed, and translations are worse now? they are not particularly exotic (e.g. fr, sv) 19:14:03 <luke-jr> lightlike: no, that's why I want to reach out ⺠19:15:00 <luke-jr> should I link this PR in the announcement? or some better way? 19:15:15 <luke-jr> I guess translators might not have GitHub 19:15:18 <laanwj> you can't assume people on transifex have a github account 19:15:29 <luke-jr> hebasto said "Translators can open issues on transifex.com that are associated to the translatable strings." 19:15:39 <luke-jr> maybe I can make a tutorial for doing so 19:15:49 <laanwj> yes, there is some mechanism for that, not sure how well it works 19:16:07 <jarolrod> ^^^^^^ only if it helps with your explanation of what the change was 19:16:11 <luke-jr> and this only gets negative feedback - no way to tell if people read the msg 19:16:51 <luke-jr> maybe a new issue to track it? 19:16:58 <luke-jr> err, that's github again >_< 19:17:41 <laanwj> you could make a) an announcement about the change b) then put your mail adres or such for people to contact you in case it causes problems 19:17:51 <laanwj> if no one contacts you, it's clear 19:18:05 <luke-jr> well, if noone contacts me it might just be nobody sees the announcements :P 19:18:16 <laanwj> well if no one cares what can you do 19:18:24 <laanwj> better to drop it maybe :) 19:18:55 <luke-jr> I'll run a draft ann by people here later 19:19:00 <laanwj> thanks! 19:19:40 <laanwj> any other topics? 19:20:33 <laanwj> (this is yet again an example of lack of communication with translators, if we had a moderator/reviewer as point of contact for every language it'd be much easier) 19:21:06 <michaelfolkson> I think jarolrod and hebasto are revamping the process? 19:21:11 <michaelfolkson> Or intending to? 19:21:14 <laanwj> yes 19:21:23 <jarolrod> While here, at cordev I had presented on issues with translations 19:21:42 <jarolrod> IâÂÂm writing up an issue to present to the community some proposals on the revamp 19:21:51 <jarolrod> Will share soon :) 19:21:56 <michaelfolkson> Cool :) 19:22:09 <laanwj> great! 19:22:54 <laanwj> #endmeeting