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      "payload": "We could link to all the logs on the IRC channels wiki page and link that in the topic?",
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      "payload": "yeah, that's not hooked up to anything",
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      "payload": "currently CFeeRate::GetFee always rounds down (via truncation), but this seems to be incorrect behavior to me, although we have tests for it",
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      "payload": "it means that at some feerates and sizes, we end up paying a feerate that is less than intended",
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      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "this can also lead to an assertion failure in coin selection",
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      "id": "595a762bd49943c4b2b516d3874e3501",
      "sender": "laanwj",
      "payload": "would \"always round up\" lead to better behavior?",
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      "id": "36a537d4b22e4dd8b3ff87f27b70d9d6",
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      "payload": "I propose in #22949 that we change to rounding up, but there are concerns that this could affect policy",
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      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22949 | fee: Round up fee calculation to avoid a lower than expected feerate by achow101 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #22949 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
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      "id": "a16438842a5d40589013d57f7a203d78",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "so I just wanted to get more people familiar with policy to have a look at that and figure out whether it would actually affect policy",
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      "payload": "laanwj: yes. it both avoids the assertion failure, and guarantees that the targeted feerate is being met",
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      "sender": "laanwj",
      "payload": "so for policy you'd ideally want to round down, but for the wallet up?",
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      "id": "22645727190540dfb3b5a6f5ed29e976",
      "sender": "laanwj",
      "payload": "could make it an explicit flag",
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      "id": "6277edff3c814a6881bfb3dd857652d0",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "I guess? I don't think it actually affects policy since GetFee is only used to get the minrelayfee and incremental relay fee",
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      "timestamp": "2021-09-16T19:18:59+00:00"
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      "id": "d2e7eb557ff54e379a13c602ff8da4ce",
      "sender": "laanwj",
      "payload": "if it doesn't affect policy then it's moot",
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      "id": "2aa45ba5a3db4cc4885cc1967e76d555",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "it's a bit odd to me that policy and the wallet would have different behavior for calculating at the same feerate",
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      "id": "618f8bea803f47ff9d3f0e0b566b05a5",
      "sender": "laanwj",
      "payload": "well one is for what you want paid, the other is for what you pay, it's different sides of the transaction",
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      "id": "dc2a3abcce5f40c691016281f251f0f8",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "I'm pretty sure it has no affect on policy, but I don't know policy well enough to definiteively say so",
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      "sender": "laanwj",
      "payload": "ok, that would be something to figure out for sure",
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      "sender": "laanwj",
      "payload": "no one else weighing in now, i guess that concludes the topic",
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      "sender": "laanwj",
      "payload": "anything else to discuss today?",
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      "id": "1fc4798b1d864570bfd4a56f61ef135b",
      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "hm, few existing tests needed to be updated, given how much functional fee rate testing we have. will review",
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      "sender": "michaelfolkson",
      "payload": "Just inform the mailing list that this change is being proposed if it is touching policy? I don't see any bad implications and neither does darosior on that issue you linked achow101",
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