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19:00:23 <hebasto> hi
19:00:24 <meshcollider> hi
19:00:37 <laanwj> #bitcoin -core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball morcos
19:00:39 <laanwj> nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
19:00:51 <achow101> Hi
19:00:56 <kvaciral[m]> hi
19:00:58 <laanwj> one proposed meeting topic: coredev quick updates (ariard)
19:01:01 <laanwj> any last minute ones?
19:01:04 <ariard> hi
19:01:59 <laanwj> #topic 22.0
19:01:59 <core-meetingbot> topic: 22.0
19:02:52 <MarcoFalke> blocked by #22450, I guess (per previous discussion)
19:02:53 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22450 | addrman serialize: nNew was wrong, oh ow · Issue #22450 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
19:03:05 <laanwj> we're getting even closer, the last PRs are nearly ready for merge https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/47 , after which we should tag rc1 imo, but some last-minute issue came up while fuzzing addrman serialization (#22450)
19:03:05 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22450 | addrman serialize: nNew was wrong, oh ow · Issue #22450 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
19:03:07 <jonatack> hi
19:04:22 <MarcoFalke> sipa: What is the status of #22421 ?
19:04:24 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22421 | Make IsSegWitOutput return true for taproot outputs by sipa · Pull Request #22421 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
19:04:28 <jamesob> hi
19:05:12 <laanwj> it seems to do what is said, so i'm fine with merging it as-is and doing the requested refactor later
19:05:51 <laanwj> but as rc1 is blocked on something else there is no need to rush
19:06:34 <MarcoFalke> Agree that there is no rush, but I have a slight preference to merge code that will be removed again right after
19:06:43 <MarcoFalke> *not
19:07:30 <gene> hi
19:07:39 <sipa> hi
19:07:44 <laanwj> that's what i mean with there being no rush, we can wait a few days probably for sipa to change it or someone else to open a PR that takes it over if he isn't able to
19:07:58 <sipa> sorry, my computed died
19:08:09 <laanwj> if we wanted to cut rc1 tonight it'd be different and we could just merge it as-is
19:08:15 <laanwj> but that's not going to happen
19:08:25 <sipa> what do you need me to change?
19:08:58 <luke-jr> [19:04:24] <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22421 | Make IsSegWitOutput return true for taproot outputs by sipa · Pull Request #22421 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
19:09:00 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/22421 | Make IsSegWitOutput return true for taproot outputs by sipa · Pull Request #22421 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
19:09:11 <sipa> oh, the switch case? will do
19:09:18 <laanwj> MarcoFalke's suggestion about using a switch statement so future added TxoutTypes will turn up ac ompiler warning about a missing case
19:09:20 <laanwj> yes
19:11:09 <laanwj> #topic Coredev quick updates (ariard)
19:11:09 <core-meetingbot> topic: Coredev quick updates (ariard)
19:12:01 <ariard> hi
19:12:27 <ariard> so i sent the invits beginning of weeks, have already 19 yes
19:12:34 <ariard> half-americans/half-europeans
19:12:43 <laanwj> nice!
19:13:00 <ariard> bad news, the health policy of the location has changed drastically in the last 48 hours
19:13:05 <luke-jr> >_<
19:13:13 <ariard> 19, excluding orgas
19:13:30 <ariard> the nos so far are in majority are aussies friends :/
19:13:41 <ariard> hard to them to leave the country
19:13:49 <hebasto> ariard: is there a link to the updated list of vaccines that are approved by France?
19:14:10 <ariard> hebasto: i think that's an european thing, but will check and follow with you
19:14:19 <hebasto> thanks!
19:14:21 <MarcoFalke> The thing that changes was the "health passport"?
19:14:25 <MarcoFalke> *changed
19:14:28 <jonatack> i've been following things very closely.  the announcement is potentially pretty inconvenient for the non-treated. however, it remains to be seen what will be passed.
19:14:33 <ariard> we crunched a bit of news with orgas on the last days and it sounds this health pass will be really applied
19:14:54 <ariard> MarcoFalke: yep, and really enforcement of it and clear will of local authorities to harden it
19:15:00 <luke-jr> "non-treated"?
19:15:01 <jonatack> for now, it's only an announcement by macron and the "science council"
19:15:25 <jonatack> luke-jr: those who did not get the injection, as the french govt would say
19:15:32 <ariard> luke-jr: either recovery/vaccinate or PCR every 48h to do any kind of public activities
19:16:03 <jonatack> PCR or antigen or a test result in the last 6 months that one was positive
19:16:07 <ariard> it's still super early and we have the option to change the location in another country, more peaceful
19:16:13 <ariard> still with the same date as a fixed point
19:16:19 <luke-jr> tbh that sounds reasonable tho
19:16:25 <sipa> will they recognize vaccinations given in other countries? the US doesn't really give you any kind of recognizable certificate
19:16:38 <sipa> just a piece of paper that the pharmacist fills in
19:16:49 <ariard> sipa: i think so, at least it's expected to make thing bearable for us tourists
19:17:20 <jonatack> for entry, as before, and what macron is asking is for all of the shopping centers, bars, and restaurants to check identity and health status for each customer....i'm not sure how realistic it is
19:17:24 <ariard> though things can change from a week to another, and the eu wake up a morning and withdraw a vaccin from the authorized list
19:17:45 <jonatack> again, law not passed, only proposed by the executive
19:18:17 <sipa> the location does seem a bit annoying to reach, though
19:18:28 <sipa> needs 1+ extra flight compared to most major european cities
19:18:30 <ariard> yeah french curfew wasn't effectively applied in the last week of its validity in may/june
19:18:52 <ariard> sipa: i know though restrictions if existent will be far more cool, which was the rational
19:19:01 <ariard> given it's not major hub
19:19:08 <sipa> hmm, i don't follow
19:19:20 <sipa> but ok, doesn't really matter for me
19:19:34 <ariard> countryside might not enforce covid restrictions
19:19:43 <jonatack> there can be pretty wide gulf between what is said and what is done
19:19:49 <sipa> ah, i'd expect it to be country-wide, but perhaps that makes sense
19:19:59 <jonatack> this is a latin country ;)
19:20:27 <ariard> sipa: yeah it's france there is was decreted in paris and the rest of the country
19:20:32 <jonatack> the police don't want to enforce it.  will likely be enforced via exceptions, not the rule.
19:20:32 <ariard> s/was/what/g
19:21:11 <sipa> well, people still need to be able to enter the county
19:21:13 <sipa> +r
19:21:30 <jonatack> we were talking about destinations that have no restrictions.  atm seems like mexico and costa rica.
19:21:31 <ariard> that said, we reviewed quickly alternative europeans/middle america locations with loosened covid restrictions
19:22:23 <ariard> sipa: us can enter eu since beginning of june for tourisms travels purpose
19:23:19 <sipa> well, keep us posted
19:23:41 <ariard> the question: is it worhty to play a safer fallback plan now, with lesser covid restrictions to replace france ?
19:23:46 <ariard> like portugal or switzerland
19:23:59 <laanwj> right, let's see how this develops for a bit, better to not book travel yet
19:24:15 <ariard> agree, or if you do so tick the repleacable box for once
19:24:27 <jonatack> portugal just became a hot zone that is hard to return from
19:24:27 <BlueMatt> ariard: I mean the restrictions as-proposed don't seem insane or even that annoying, its moreso if those restrictions change.
19:24:40 <ariard> okay let's how things evolve, we keep in mind a sound fallback plan if we have to do so
19:25:01 <ariard> BlueMatt: yeaaah it should be okay for now if it stays as so...
19:25:05 <luke-jr> less restrictions now could mean more later due to COVID spread?
19:25:10 <BlueMatt> right, also that
19:25:30 <BlueMatt> not to mention less restrictions now could mean people dont want to go if there's covid spread there come end-of-year lol
19:25:45 <jonatack> BlueMatt: TBH what they want is vaccinations, if you are then you're good. for those who aren't, it could be more inconvenient. that is their goal.
19:26:02 <ariard> luke-jr: we're considering really geographically isolated places with stable covid restrictions on the last 9 months
19:26:35 <jonatack> unless they close the borders again but last year that didn't happen until december IIRC
19:26:39 <BlueMatt> jonatack: I mean have y'all bothered to ask if people *are* vaccinated? In my experience among bitcoin *developers* its like 100%. among bitcoin twitter users its much different.
19:26:55 <jamesob> not vax'd
19:26:58 <luke-jr> definitely not 100%
19:26:59 <ariard> BlueMatt: lol i'm not and don't plan to do so :p
19:27:02 <sipa> wut
19:27:06 <luke-jr> I know at least 3 who aren't
19:27:24 <jonatack> BlueMatt: nope, many aren't and a number indicated to me that they won't come if it's a requirement
19:27:28 <BlueMatt> ariard: sure, some qualify under "had postitive test and thus dont care" :)
19:27:49 <ariard> BlueMatt: mainly that if you've aready bee positive in the last months
19:27:59 <sipa> oh, sure
19:28:17 <ariard> we have also few folks in countries when its *hard* to get a vaccin :/
19:28:33 <sipa> that may change in the coming months though
19:28:42 <ariard> hopefully, yes
19:28:58 <BlueMatt> let me rephrase, is there anyone who (a) hasn't *had* covid such that they otherwise qualify, (b) haven't been vax'd, and (c) want to come in spite of the fact that they have no antibodies to covid?
19:29:08 <jonatack> BlueMatt: yes
19:29:15 <ariard> BlueMatt: yes
19:29:20 <sipa> that seems to be the key word around this event, "hopefully"
19:29:44 <ariard> sipa: hopefully we won't have covid restrictions 2 years from now but who knows?
19:29:49 <sipa> of course
19:29:52 <ariard> we might yet-another year running on this pace
19:30:27 <BlueMatt> well another option then is the us pending watching restrictions over the coming month or so. it seems likely the us will relax the inbound-tourist restirctions given eu pressure on the us to be symmetric.
19:30:46 <BlueMatt> and once here there's much less likely to be any new restrictions on movement/gathering than other places.
19:30:53 <luke-jr> FL hasn't really ever had any restrictions if you can get into the country :p
19:30:58 <ariard> okay let's play hope for now, keep a consistant fallback plan if france get in some administrative folly, and don't take travel plans without cancelling options
19:31:14 <ariard> luke-jr: was there a month ago, nice state :)
19:31:22 <sipa> so the plan is still same date, same place?
19:31:26 <sipa> barring other news?
19:31:33 <ariard> BlueMatt: yeah if the us really relax fallbacking on NYC/boston could be easy
19:31:48 <ariard> sipa: for now, yes and we're keeping a strong eye on evolution
19:31:57 <BlueMatt> right, nyc is probably easy.
19:32:09 <jonatack> the US is difficult for many people.  would suggest a destination people can enter
19:32:24 <sipa> US is not easy to enter i assume, right now
19:32:35 <BlueMatt> right, that's assuming the entering restriction is relaxed, but there's lots of eu pressure on dc to do that sooner rather than later.
19:32:36 <luke-jr> maybe El Salvador would make exceptions as needed XD
19:32:37 <ariard> yes have this issue with UK, not legally friendly hmmmm
19:32:49 <BlueMatt> I dont think the UK is an option right now.
19:33:11 <jonatack> nope (csw etc)
19:33:33 <ariard> i know some contributors who had issues getting in the us in the past
19:33:54 <ariard> well, not other news :)
19:34:04 <laanwj> any other topics?
19:34:39 <laanwj> #endmeeting