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      "payload": "And we still need to figure out how to allow fee bumping without change address.",
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      "payload": "I don't believe so, there's no subtract_fee_from_output like option",
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      "payload": "oh, you mean when the transaction used subtract fee from outputs",
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      "payload": "perhaps the wallet should also track this information so it doesn't require the user to provide it all the time?",
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      "payload": "we would need to track that for the gui bumpfee to work",
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      "sender": "provoostenator",
      "payload": "The GUI bumpfee can also use the dscriptors to figure out which output is change?",
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      "payload": "Right, which we can't know for sure.",
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      "payload": "yeah, we're oging to need some tx tracking changes, so this could be a larger project",
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      "payload": "any other topics?",
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      "sender": "provoostenator",
      "payload": "I find the distinction between bumpfee and psbtbumpfee not ideal for external signers",
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      "sender": "provoostenator",
      "payload": "But maybe someone can suggest something int he comments.",
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      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "the idea of external signer support is that all of the normal wallet things should work as if normal",
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      "id": "020eaa65ce644d7fab5ba85e69ba03c7",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "so it makes sense to me that it would be part of bumpfee",
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      "id": "92866d825b784d07bdc821414ae47aa2",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "and bumpfee should just be calling the signer directly, like send",
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      "sender": "provoostenator",
      "payload": "Ok, well that's what the PR does",
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      "id": "acbca1147cfb4c3396323d2e7273e671",
      "sender": "provoostenator",
      "payload": "Code reuse could be improved perhaps, but that's another matter.",
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      "payload": "sure",
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      "sender": "provoostenator",
      "payload": "Alright, other topic",
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      "sender": "provoostenator",
      "payload": "(I don't have one)",
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      "id": "863dde00ef1647cba174c5e3006061ad",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "only thing I've got is that I opened up a few PRs yesterday for more coin selection changes",
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      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "I'm almost done with my coin selection overhaul",
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      "id": "4eedf197bf1c496b8051db27c542553d",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "but we first need #17331 since everything depends on that. if people could review it, that would be great",
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      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17331 | Use effective values throughout coin selection by achow101 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #17331 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
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      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "achow101: nice. i'm sorry to have been remiss in reviewing, am in week three of five weeks of chaincode study groups.",
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      "timestamp": "2021-05-21T19:21:00+00:00"
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      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "provoostenator: achow101: feature freeze in 3 weeks. what are your targets for inclusion?",
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      "id": "ac6d5a072e2f48bcab05086dc54650f2",
      "sender": "provoostenator",
      "payload": "I'll see if I can bring up the courage and mental energy to review coin selection PR's again :-)",
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      "id": "a106e3f917eb4c4980b167973c43d77a",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "jonatack: my current target is 17331",
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      "id": "60dc34c9c9b84359b699911f3c54638f",
      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "that one will be in v22 it seems, but after?",
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      "id": "171897eb03cd4e1e9d267f96164550f7",
      "sender": "provoostenator",
      "payload": "I'd like to see HWW GUI support make it in,  but we'll see.",
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      "timestamp": "2021-05-21T19:23:06+00:00"
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      "id": "cea9422e7a4e411fb51f248bb65ac158",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "I'd like to close out the coin selection project and move back to descriptor wallet migration",
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      "timestamp": "2021-05-21T19:23:19+00:00"
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      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "good to know",
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      "timestamp": "2021-05-21T19:24:23+00:00"
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      "sender": "provoostenator",
      "payload": "sipa: when taproot wallet rebase?",
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      "id": "ce253e6ffe3c4cb18868f795e51eca64",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "any other topics?",
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      "timestamp": "2021-05-21T19:26:12+00:00"
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "provoostenator: right now!",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-05-21T19:26:41+00:00"
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "i just noticed",
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      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "it'd be nice to get taproot wallet for 22.0, do you think we can get it before feature freeze?",
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      "sender": "provoostenator",
      "payload": "At least on signet it would be nice",
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      "sender": "provoostenator",
      "payload": "We should probably mark those descriptors as experimental though.",
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