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      "payload": "So I just opened a new PR instead of the old one which was not reviewable any more.",
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      "payload": "But generally if you're fine with reviewing code by eyes and not building, it's pretty much ready.",
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      "payload": "But no unit tests yet... What would we want there? Something as big as testing framework we have for txrequest?",
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      "payload": "i don't think the goal should \"having unit tests\"",
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      "payload": "your goal is to test the code you have, and for every kind of tests, there are more and less appropriate ways of doing so",
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      "payload": "if everything can be tested through functional tests, that's great",
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      "payload": "Well, I introduce like 5 new types of messages.",
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      "payload": "but there are probably lower-level data structures etc that deserve testing in a more low-level way",
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      "payload": "sipa: on the high-level I agree. On the low-level, I find it a bit challenging to find the right balance :)",
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      "payload": "you can write a p2p fuzz tests like the net_process one that's specific to recon messages",
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      "payload": "i'll need to look at the code for more specific suggestions",
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      "sender": "gleb",
      "payload": "alright, and I'll consider what you said so far. Thanks.",
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      "payload": "thanks gleb!",
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      "sender": "michaelfolkson",
      "payload": "Given Erlay is a bandwidth improvement it is just a case of normal P2P testing behavior rather than ensuring any Erlay specific guarantees right?",
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      "payload": "or any review begs from https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/P2P-Current-Priorities ?",
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      "payload": "both the fact that p2p high-level goals still work (transactions propagate etc) and the fact that erlay itself works, down to as much detail as possible",
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      "sender": "michaelfolkson",
      "payload": "sipa: Right but I'm just thinking of where Erlay could break down and you'd need a specific test for that",
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      "payload": "michaelfolkson: it could for example work perfectly, but be subtle different from the spec, i a way that makes it (a) useless and not actually saving bandwidth or (b) won't be compatible with other implementations",
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      "payload": "sipa: Testing subtleties against spec, yeah that's a good one",
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      "sender": "amiti",
      "payload": "sure, happy to review beg for 21061 :) there are some outstanding comments I need to address, but approach feedback would be very useful!!",
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      "payload": "I'm planning to review rebroadcast soon",
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      "sender": "lightlike",
      "payload": "I think it's also interesting how erlay and traditional relay work together in the transition phase, my intuition says that unexpected things could happen, considering the different time scales.",
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      "payload": "jnewbery: thanks :)",
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      "payload": "lightlike: that's a good question, but probably something that's hard to test through automated tests (unless you mean things like it actually failing to propagate at all)",
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      "sender": "lightlike",
      "payload": "sipa: yes - that's probably something for simulations",
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      "payload": "more like something to verify in simulations or large deployments",
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      "sender": "gleb",
      "payload": "lightlike: yeah I saw your comment earlier.",
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      "sender": "gleb",
      "payload": "I can try simulating that too, it's just would be so much better for us if we had an alternative simul stack crafted by non-me :)",
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      "payload": "I'd appreciate some more review on #21236. It got some attention early on but it seems to have stalled a bit.",
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      "sender": "michaelfolkson",
      "payload": "What is the Erlay transition phase? I just assumed once merged Erlay would be used by everyone with a fallback of not Erlay if it didn't work.",
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      "payload": "michaelfolkson: there will be a time while the public mainnet bitcoin P2P network is a mix of erlay nodes and non-erlay nodes, and propagation must work well across those nodes too",
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      "payload": "michaelfolkson: these are network-level properties e.g. what % of nodes receive a transaction within some amount of time, not something on the scale of an individual connection",
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      "payload": "and one type of propagation shouldn't cannibalize the other",
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      "payload": "sipa lightlike: Ok thanks, makes sense",
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      "payload": "any last updates/comments before we wrap up?",
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