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      "payload": "warren: as things stand, Guix is a regression in that respect",
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      "payload": "wumpus: first I need to get Guix to work ;)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:12:29+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "aa85638f56054e758f120c0512908e2d",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "Currently we have the windows cross build using focal because gitian uses that",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:12:33+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1714deee83924a31b40bdfcfb4c27b6f",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "(windows cross build in the ci)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:12:42+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fddea8a22c904d2fb9c5ff4853a9df44",
      "sender": "warren",
      "payload": "dongcarl: Pre-meeting it sounds like a supported way to pre-populate downloads for guix bootstrap is a priority. The packager of Guix for Debian similarly commented that entirely offline is a requirement for their distro packages. He had to add a ton of unsupported hacks to package Guix for Debian.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:12:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b1107c2a2a6c46bca5eae7dc0695bf3a",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "i've been setting up guix from scratch in an ubuntu VM, from source, with --bootstrap... it's been a bit of a pain, but running fine now",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:13:23+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f730c518d21c4058957d397b4a683021",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "So I am wondering how to deal with diverging compilers between the guix windows build and the ci windows build",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:13:30+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cb608df413cc48ee9cc88274d3285f2d",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "trying to answer one at a time",
      "action": true,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:13:45+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "384cb0e2c26a485abaaf23fb39a7c92a",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: ideally we have a guix build in CI, i guess?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:14:01+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d1879fb0fbd54f21a230ecc2bc7254b2",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "sipa: That'd be hard to setup, because you'd have to cache the gnu_store",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:14:19+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d43e1f18931e4ccf829c33f713f044c4",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "for DrahtBot that is 11GB",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:14:35+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b019bab812b248e69b3cf1a15d7305d9",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "11G\t./temp/scratch/guix/root_store/",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:14:37+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "06f70996cd61484682994e05b7130e22",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: Right, ideally we would have the same... Let me write it down and think about it. Will reach out back to you. Most likely we just cache a fully-GC'd gnu_store",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:15:09+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ab526482fdad4eee8c3830fdde0b376c",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "wumpus: the only \"demand\" (more like expectation) is that it be usable without regressions before we switch to it exclusively.. and I've already said I'm willing to help, but I need to get to the point where I can",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:15:24+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "dd14b387b757425bbb721e1c387e5f8f",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: well, let drahtbot do it and comment, rather than actual CI?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:15:26+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "14801e8a3a0e414f957a09f3b96e3a0a",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "on every pull?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:15:38+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "349c9711e4f945a3a156861c26f59d5f",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "just master would be great already",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:15:44+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e9d5e78d75254575baf971b299e750fe",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "luke-jr: Will continue helping you set up like we've been doing this past 24 hrs :-)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:16:21+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ca107a31b2fa44dea2c957dea5edd316",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "luke-jr: you don't run gitian in a VM (outside; i'm not talking about the VM gitian itself uses internally)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:16:22+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6e6f9216a63c4116bdfd58b1c2117ac2",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:16:28+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "bc3024d0a5684a34bc2e390bbd3b2762",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "sipa: not anymore, no; I got rid of that extra layer a while ago..",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:16:41+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "45a94605607a4a4e80b0fdb1f2e541b1",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "ok",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:16:46+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "bbf3f8f0864742be976d4ab84fd93645",
      "sender": "warren",
      "payload": "gitian has optional VM or container mode",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:16:58+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6604f18de4994bf3a132bf7ec3527211",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "(only did that at first because once upon a time gitian required Ubuntu IIRC)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:17:11+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8b8cc0e3a2ed45efb33fafac8bf25375",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "warren: i know; that's not what i'm talking about",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:17:20+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "28cdd59c190e4422b76fd8d3c2efec81",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "Maybe for ci we just use the closest version of mingw to guix that is offered by ubuntu/debian?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:17:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ea5cc84f0da0486fb47f1b99dc473483",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: I think it'll be easier to do the other way around",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:18:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8292cec33bca408cbf64a1cc1178a9da",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "I'll double-check, I think I made the Guix mingw build correspond to focal when I first set it up",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:18:30+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ccf6d759913f48a79938b61e5dd90f66",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "are we expecting CI to produce binaries that match Guix? O.o",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:19:00+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "70ac850d53b84ff1b4e5a0a61a2036c2",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "no, just to run with the same version of the compiler to find relevant issues",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:19:17+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1a54794797c94337a65b431224c5c391",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "No, but I think similar behaviour is good",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:19:20+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a3bdeb19456e41599a51b9c236d51ae6",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "luke-jr: Mostly to catch compiler errors before they are in the release",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:19:46+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "98ef919209554d469c8ec0a17332dd3a",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "right",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:19:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "00b68d38af7e47198a82250657beccd7",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "I feel like I might have missed some comments up above, let me know if I did",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:19:58+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b9c45b978aab4e07890da50b66d9c960",
      "sender": "warren",
      "payload": "dongcarl: \"Most likely we just cache a fully-GC'd gnu_store\" <--- Is this also the answer to my question above about offline operation?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:20:01+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "18b56f28c32c464ca834d07723d627ef",
      "sender": "warren",
      "payload": "Debian and Fedora require that for builds",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:20:23+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "84dc92b23fc4450a83e4142d28530228",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: ultimately, I think a full  Guix CI is needed to avoid that?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:20:34+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "dc7ff164b8474708a329936267c3f2b5",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "warren: Could you detail what you want out of offline operations?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:20:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b63236374f8a4dc3ab9ac382d5e08a0c",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "luke-jr: I think that'd be tricky to set up, as we need to cache the full guix store",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:21:14+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a791a187704f4b1ab83c385993c4d46a",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "(the part that we are using)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:21:29+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6eeeb9e8d1024931b969a74a7a631b87",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: just DrahtBot is enough..? it's not like we want *all* the CI to use the same compiler ideally",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:21:48+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c7fc734cbc874f8187af2631491f1241",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "warren: the gnu_store is the result of building all dependencies; i think with \"offline operation\" you're talking about the ability to fetch the sources beforehand, not the results (which implies trusted binaries)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:21:50+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ce9d9d47761f41e0b1b6672ff8ce1311",
      "sender": "warren",
      "payload": "dongcarl: for packaging Guix in Debian in Fedora we're required to bootstrap from source starting with the distro toolchains of those respective distros. The build process cannot download anything from the network so we must pre-populate any downloads that it would expect. The Debian packager added a ton of hacks to enable this to work offline for Debian guix bootstrap.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:22:07+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7695aa41e16e4362ad5a99f5c9cd4a89",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "warren: for CI trusted binaries are fine, we're just mimicking the release process",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:22:09+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "18d1bf1356034fd4bf9e9e0fab88267a",
      "sender": "warren",
      "payload": "s/Debian in Fedora/Debian and Fedora/",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:23:45+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3ce327d5131d4324889ffd88becf61c7",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "warren: Right, I believe those hacks are still required for packing for Fedora. I believe the Debian maintainer just mentioned that he's slowly upstreaming this effort.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:23:56+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f6528a6cc210464591dae3d32ae83295",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "warren: can you help with that after the meeting? ;)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:24:06+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3ae3184afc1e4af898b6c8f77da278ef",
      "sender": "warren",
      "payload": "It was unfortunate to learn that Guix does not have a goal of Guix itself being reproducible.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:24:38+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "dde7768e403b443e9a8fd359988079ae",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "I think w/re CI, let's get the versions as close as possible, and we will figure out a way to get a Guix-based CI working.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:24:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f1e0660edfc9446cb6f52924b37c8e37",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "warren: ?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:24:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "eae81781706c4a85b7004ab3238424c6",
      "sender": "warren",
      "payload": "dongcarl: the resulting Guix is not 100% identical to bootstrapped in a different way, reason being is reproducibility is not a goal of Guix, only bootstrapability.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:25:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6eaf8610183e4bc79251bae127961713",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "you mean the guix-daemon and guix binaries?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:26:22+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a45ed3e5fbfc44459734ea05b4ce38c1",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "If you're building Guix from source in $DISTRO, it's not going to be reproducible because $DISTRO's build tools are not reproducible. But once you have Guix built from source, you can reproduce Guix itself, and even challenge the binary tarball released on the Guix website.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:28:11+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "84eaa28a72904ac2b557a40f40bbf314",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "See: `guix challenge` and the last section of: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Binary-Installation.html",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:28:32+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f1b25cd3c2f84ad9a7e8a0f796f6fd49",
      "sender": "warren",
      "payload": "OK thanks.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:28:39+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c53a2fba6e47428b9d31e820df5dfcad",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "it could do a second pass for that?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:28:40+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6a857f7ccaf542b5b839c9b1d5535ce3",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "wumpus: Yup! `guix install guix` works (I think)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:28:56+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "bc78a448c24d455283ec67ff37336c6d",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "we must go deeper.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:29:09+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "eb33762af29a44fca8f1ca2c6e00b55c",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "like if you compile the compiler using the OS' build tools, then compile the compiler using that compiler, that one should be deterministic",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:29:09+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "59e3a36173414d748f07410c3167537e",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "ok",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:29:12+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8caaf47a166b4ae48b248d36c8ca24bb",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": ":-)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:29:25+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "9e96d365b15f48068dc00f3925d26662",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "Any other concerns/questions?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:29:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a89d9c1d1bc241d7a9de40a759d57383",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "wumpus: Gentoo actually builds every GCC 3 times :p",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:30:17+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cd38d9fbbbb148b185fdee969ba78e95",
      "sender": "warren",
      "payload": "Should a goal of bitcoin's release reproduce the bootstrap of guix and challenge? Or you expect guix to be already somehow bootstrapped on your own?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:30:21+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0af5598291ce427e80cb27bdd29df3e2",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "warren: i think our goal should be reproducibility; the user can choose what level of trust they have in their own build process",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:30:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "4c02f4025a024debaadf49672888b305",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "agree with sipa",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:31:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1a8a46fbf9364d58b478677caf1d3d7a",
      "sender": "phantomcircuit",
      "payload": "luke-jr, i guess that's why it's so slow",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:31:09+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "44be3edc20534084bb5783a1137a108d",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "Exactly... Especially once Guix bridges into stage0... Bootstrap builds may take a week...",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:31:24+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a0e674988d504622ac8d136102a792da",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "if you guix, presumably you got it in a way you're comfortable with, and if you have that - regardless of how you did so - you can build a reproducible bitcoin core release binary",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:31:37+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7fba8c514eb94fdbaf3a575b8bc4cc15",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "+have",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:31:46+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e116b930c2264a76823c20d400382e12",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "it's useful if some people taking part in builds bootstrap guix from ~nothing, but not everyone would need to do this to be useful",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:31:54+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "9ec7e4d2c08e4ff590cf61c93d4e6340",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "I'm going to aim to have a gitian descriptor that produces a guix base with most deps at least",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:32:14+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c79b66b2cb2147eb97982a3521e50477",
      "sender": "warren",
      "payload": "That'd be fine if Guix had an upstream supported way of doing it offline",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:32:21+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "021a6785ed7842d498c87ea23d0b14f3",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "Guix boostrapping party leggoooo (just a bunch of nerds staring a build logs scrolling by)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:32:37+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7df02de7f3e04c908e768ae7857853d6",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "hehe",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:32:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "19871a7f581c421eb0ef4304e88a5d49",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "dongcarl: a bunch of geeks",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:33:24+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a1a246f4818543a7944fb2761e8044ac",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "(that's how guix is pronounced, right?)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:33:31+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e42e512d914c481987b1ecc4c3826575",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "warren: Let's open a dialogue with vagrantc, he has a full year's experience doing this for Debian and can answer more questions",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-11T19:33:36+00:00"
    },
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      "payload": "sipa: well, for nested in genreal..",
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      "payload": "cool. Let me enhance it then.",
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