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      "payload": "although it's for chasing concept ACK so i don't think it matters if it's rebased for concept ack",
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      "payload": "Also #19716 doesn't pass gitian, so can be removed as well? (Maybe replace by #21036 because it is blocked on that)?",
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      "payload": "#19145 has re-acks by provoostenator and I, seems close",
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      "payload": "didn't we had this topic recently?",
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      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:11:43+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "dd9abd9917354ac5baca78e4dfd5029d",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "is there a concrete candidate to look at?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:12:20+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f220ab586f284bc7a013d71fd9c505c0",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "if there are, I'd suggest first setting up a parallel / mirror, so that people can try",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:12:35+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8b146bc69e954ea284948ec65e8e4349",
      "sender": "fjahr",
      "payload": "It seems to be a constant topic since people get more and more frustrated",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:12:41+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "27ee0ffc12374f1f87078a37569ecb8c",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "switching is not going to be a flag day thing",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:12:58+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ea95bd601ce44c23b546cc27a771a7b1",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "sipa: Most of them seem \"alpha\" stage, so we'd have to play around with them",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:13:04+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "bd2f8e4d1073477183234035bd727e3d",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "was there a concrete problem with GitLab?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:13:18+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cd878cd4ad4d41038c12576f08bfba2f",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "Might this be an important enough thing that we should also look into building it ourselves / hacking existing open source solutions if none of the existing solutions work well enough?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:13:27+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "359642e7c3c54f00a39b0bb28f4c86ed",
      "sender": "jamesob",
      "payload": "I suspect that there will be even more frustration with an alternative. The big argument would be that github is a worrisome dependency to have",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:13:28+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "33bffebfed3a4a61aa19663cc2685d6e",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "luke-jr: yes it's just another centralized thing",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:13:33+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "68317f9542f841b98eb299715299126c",
      "sender": "promag",
      "payload": "wont the alternative have other issues?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:13:42+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a69a4346ad62456a96b2fc8b3e09210f",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "doing more tooling like gh-meta and ghwatch.py in the meantime seems like a good start?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:13:47+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "bbf4866d26c24ec49aba202055cac53a",
      "sender": "jamesob",
      "payload": "promag: right",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:13:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8e6194be8b9249a5a10c2bdc479abeba",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "wumpus: eh, as opposed to what?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:13:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "689bbd2422554f22848ae0c30b7fe77e",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "Funny, if GitHub had a simple moderator queue or other means of spam protection and a stable website, we probably wouln't be talking about this",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:13:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fa1dd103c0a74f77a025488b1b598ebf",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "aj:  right, that's my idea",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:14:02+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e6f5fafcf9e64f818b8e74045a6574e1",
      "sender": "fjahr",
      "payload": "Maybe there should be a wiki page to collect promising projects, then people post there experiences with mirrors",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:14:06+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5a2d5e954df349ae8a373bda7fdad3f0",
      "sender": "fjahr",
      "payload": "Obviously this will be a long way",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:14:22+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0d9f9656ab2e4be18681980ccc000610",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "luke-jr: git-appraise, radicle, git-bug, and various other systems that use git for propagation instead of relying (entirely) on central hosted infrastructure",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:14:37+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0f1f1cb8f1ad452bad4e911f27d34f16",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "aj: good point.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:14:38+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2b1b3b35b0b547839ae4281b76d856d7",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "We can enhance the UX with custom tools",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:14:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6dd21ce18fc543849f69f8d9f7df464c",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "luke-jr: github and gitlab are hosted on the same infrastructure",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:15:11+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2551e5009f534f0496991fd7972162fd",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: same?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:15:28+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a965dfac903a4323998e7f27a771b662",
      "sender": "jamesob",
      "payload": "We get a ton of utility out of the PR review flow; something that both has that and isn't centralized is going to be tough to find I think",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:15:30+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "655f4139e1084c88b9a8cefceb4b15e6",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "Though, it might be easier to build a two-way-mirror for review comments for gitlab",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:15:32+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c4ea1036464b4ef4b9ee0f272ad4e14a",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "you can self-host gitlab or gitia etc but it'd be just another central server",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:15:35+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fe50e8f02e764e54b58d4780f827d4f3",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "luke-jr: google cloud?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:15:37+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "702b7021654f4d6e9da584e81ec2c819",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "we need something that doesn't rely on a contributor to host something IMO",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:15:54+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1ef76d3f15924068b9e0609a367ce296",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "wumpus: there's also bugseverywhere fwiw https://bugs-everywhere.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tutorial.html",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:16:02+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e359ae4b16c24ef19c50ca71b0bfd943",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "aj: ok definitely makes sense to keep track of these in a wiki",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:16:17+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "76f900835afb42789a8101cf3c2354f3",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "aj: this is too many for me to keep track of in my head :-)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:16:29+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7d822d3dfefe4fb2b1fb2cb91faca924",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "wumpus: yeah, they're super hard to search for too",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:16:45+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8d7eb0206b564f5291c352fb7f401074",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "\"git bug tracker\"...",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:16:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c9bf2415a7e5465b8aefbdb2405af4e0",
      "sender": "fjahr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: I don't think the infrastructure is causing the frustrations. Maybe the first question is: is the focus to fix usability issues with GH or to decentralize or we want to do both at the same time",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:16:56+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3fe4e88e8d974e4c82d708376c125499",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "I think we can do both at the same time",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:17:13+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "28ad4a30058248089432de023939a281",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "primarily it needs a sane way of doing code review that *doesn't* lose comments",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:17:32+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "58001c8ee2b14202af1eebf6499aaf8e",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "this is the most serious issue with github, the collapsing comments and hidden diffs",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:18:03+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "59ee4fb4b7df49eaa78aaa50dc161c58",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "fjahr: the infrastructure is the cause for centralization (and the risk of getting shut down at any time). IIRC some countries can't access github",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:18:24+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "9537325be3164dfa89db81668c57c247",
      "sender": "fjahr",
      "payload": "wumpus: maybe Gitlab doesn't lose comments, I don't know, but maybe that's a quick improvement on the usability front",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:18:42+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "86cd3bb079ed4570abad0b110a5d4abe",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: they recently announced they'd opened back up to some of those countries iirc",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:19:09+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e84bad29b4664dd8a72be2093f6fcdbc",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "fjahr: it's just not worth all the trouble of switching just to go to gitlab, you'll keep hopping",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:19:13+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "987e3fd019ce404b826254406e8d5531",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "aj: \"some\" ;)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:19:27+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fa1f49118cd8446bb25fe79ee8a9da30",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "aj: sure but who knows for how long the point is to not be dependent",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:19:30+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e5d4e3bcc42045ed989211b4af0c6a6e",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: one, maybe - https://github.blog/2021-01-05-advancing-developer-freedom-github-is-fully-available-in-iran/",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:19:36+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e481c178935346a0bf769fdb50f5846d",
      "sender": "fjahr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: agree, centralization is the same at GL but it might fix the losing comments issue which most recent frustrations seemed to come from",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:20:09+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "76d49fb179f64b4ebcdf358a2342635c",
      "sender": "jamesob",
      "payload": "I'm guessing there'll be other unknown frustrations that pop up given GL isn't as actively developed as GH (AFAIK); and there is a pretty big cost to switching; CI integrations and drahtbot then need to be changed over",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:21:07+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f02508220eaa4679a5f408ad6336b1e1",
      "sender": "jamesob",
      "payload": "IMO we should be sure we want to move to whatever we move to",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:21:17+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "85d1e740b50f4fd79e0a290fa433c79d",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "(btw, disclosure: my web browsers have been compromised for months due to https://github.com/greatsuspender/thegreatsuspender/issues/1263 )",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:21:22+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "183b46f430714808aa7994ffdaae5a89",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "wiki: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/GitHub-alternatives-for-Bitcoin-Core",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:21:39+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0f5d784f3efc45e9814a06e8d03849d2",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "proudly hosted by GitHub",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:21:45+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c9f882aa0fb94266a13963d0d0e24ae2",
      "sender": "fjahr",
      "payload": "lol",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:21:51+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b6e6f3f034904135bf4d7d07e38a423e",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "lol",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:21:54+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6c098efaa56048efb8e34ff9eeb6f956",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "XD",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:21:59+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e62701c55700471e998b6eee8f2128e8",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "jamesob: I agree, if we switch it needs to be with something we have control over ourselves and plan to stick with for a long time",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:22:02+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b449c454eabf487d91cb3372b4908d87",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: i'm sure they'll remain proud to host it while it implies there's no alternatives to github?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:22:38+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "29a593a72e1e4e679f21a0e45c660f87",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "aj: Typing as we speak",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:22:58+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cf5733e7993444679b6e96ddd8ccae4e",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "heh",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:23:02+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "eb678b034ef4460c9743f34b544a0b20",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "lol",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:23:08+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ca681cea9f7444b3bc40c00e05c626fa",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: (missed opportunity to write \"typing as i type\")",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:23:22+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fcbc11d0a5644f29b95405d5e1a9982e",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: thanks!",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:23:39+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3c0ab2bee99e441d8fb424b57d335062",
      "sender": "jnewbery",
      "payload": "so were the meetings that fanquake/theuni/moneyball had with GH just a waste of time? They listened and then didn't actually fix anything that's important for us?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:24:32+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6ff7cc87baf34540b887bd343d21e213",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "I think that concludes the topic for now, please look around if you find projects and try them out",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:24:40+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2115f9db31a44fd59f6de9f997618082",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "jnewbery: I don't think it's a waste of time to discover what your requirements are, whoever implements them",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:25:19+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2d33d771047d4cb2945d214fcfba7ad1",
      "sender": "jnewbery",
      "payload": "it's astonishing to me that one of the most important pieces of infrastructure for the open source community is owned by one of the most capitalized companies in the world and they can't even get a webpage to load",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:25:34+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6c097b96634a41c0bf1c645a29060ef5",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "eh, one with a long history of deceptive warfare against open source",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:26:03+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fff70700de014645a7521c02847e719b",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "jnewbery: i feel like you're overrating how competent humanity is at making computers work...",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:26:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8949fd0aad12434f8d53e886d7856862",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "I mean, yes, they didn't really do much, but talking about things like that was probably constructive anyway",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:26:07+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "81cf287df7264933b3209c97bcdeebe8",
      "sender": "promag",
      "payload": "jnewbery: hold on, we have dark theme",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:26:46+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "327cc6a51b8b4a468283ce5bdb8ab62a",
      "sender": "jnewbery",
      "payload": "wumpus: I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't have tried (and I'm very grateful that they did!), but github don't seem to have done anything about the problems.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:26:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c494b6c1834b4679a718eaf977d3c0a1",
      "sender": "michaelfolkson",
      "payload": "It is Big Corp syndrome. Post acquisition the magic dies",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:26:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1cfc1fd5a2cd47219548f0b4bdea0484",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "jnewbery: agree on that",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:27:06+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6cf401b6a32a4e2eb9d4a3e1f1a5b42d",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "didn't we had a direct contact with GitHub for a while?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:27:24+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "664ba73ce42b472f8a4edd6036955375",
      "sender": "jamesob",
      "payload": "promag: lol",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:27:25+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d9a52b1d14f94cd1b5bed0797d6a6773",
      "sender": "fjahr",
      "payload": "notes dark theme as hard requirement",
      "action": true,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:27:37+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "94ed66a738d44c5fa054611ce13dc0d3",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "jonasschnelli: fanquake does have direct contact but they ignore him pretty much",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:27:43+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "867f17e9444e4ffca2ee8d3f60386ad8",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: build up pressure?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:27:57+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "99dafa19fa6648c190c9e91b1f0129f1",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "(not judging them. They probably have paying clients)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:28:08+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0bb4d7e50db4461a934a5ebb63f26c8d",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "jonasschnelli: I don't think open source is a priority for them",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2021-02-04T19:28:45+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2d40fa21568b439e8200e6e823b5ec65",
      "sender": "sipa",
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