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      "sender": "sdaftuar",
      "payload": "it seems it had many concept acks early on (2 years ago)",
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      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "iirc it's desired by the community but unsustainable long-term (haven't looked in a long time but we did a review club on it)",
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      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "I still think an address index over the entire block chain is bad idea and becomes a worse idea the more the thing grows, software that relies on that is broken",
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      "sender": "sdaftuar",
      "payload": "i thought it was just an index on the utxo set.  it's indexing the whole blockchain?",
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      "sender": "sdaftuar",
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      "id": "2b16789ef09d4fcd902b9c057570183d",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "it's the whole block chain I think? utxo index would make more sense to me",
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      "sender": "fjahr",
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      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "the eralier attemps where just for the utxo set, right?",
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      "id": "a70a4d0605124a6eb98546010b766b53",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "fjahr: I have nacked similar things for years, if people keep digigng it up I lose the energy for that",
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      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "a complete index seems out of scope IMO",
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      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "i soft-nacked it https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14053#pullrequestreview-340041837",
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      "id": "122ba520f40c49cfb73cbc45267d073f",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "yes, there have been attemps for indexes over only the UTXO set, but they didn't make it in either for some reason (dunno why, maybe the author just gave up)",
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      "id": "794b65c65f1847f496fffab871408d76",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "it's a difficult question... (IMO) people shouldn't be building infrastructure that relies on having such an index, but if they're going to do it anyway, it's perhaps not any worse to have in bitcoin core",
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "txindex is terrible too",
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "but we can't just drop it",
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      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "yes, it's just as worse as txindex",
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      "sender": "fjahr",
      "payload": "wumpus: understandable, maybe there should be some kind of \"permanent concept NACK\" if enough people agree so nobody puts effort into putting into core anymore, maybe there is a way there for a project that works closely with core",
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      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "isn't that just a good reason for both addrindex and txindex to be optional and default off?",
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      "id": "505b2b8106b44126a61e6492bd6f8b6e",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "fjahr: I mean I have no interest in blocking something if people really want it, but I'm not going to be part of it",
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      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "fjahr: and apparently a lot of contributors think like that",
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      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "#20664 is something that allows (very) slow address scanning at a fraction of disk space",
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      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20664 | Add scanblockfilters RPC call by jonasschnelli \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #20664 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "aj: yeah, maybe",
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      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "I won't use addrindex myself, but the whole point of ./src/indexes/ was to make it easier to add (crappy) indexes",
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      "id": "f5b12e773c9d4d4c8d745e6eb88fc91e",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "it's not like our resistance (or reluctance) to add something like that has stopped people from using it",
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      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "Sure. But there are dedicated projects like Electrs doing it on a pretty good level",
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    {
      "id": "dee402b4127047d8aa153242ac339d70",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "Which is basically project modularization",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:16:31+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c9388f31bf0a41eb80fe6d539bfd0ceb",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "They can use their optimized DB (rocksDB in that case)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:16:39+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "75b9282bdd11487a85555c0d1606d30b",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "yeah https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14053#issuecomment-744015971",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:16:43+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cf6f7a3cd87e4469b3371cdf3f2d1abd",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke does have a point",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:16:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "51a06b403b00457c838125a3c1cdfa00",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "If we are going to merge it, people will build on top of it and maintenance/traffic goes into our project",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:17:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "07e3e8e934bf463587376ab512b58a99",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "no need to compete with dedicated projects whose whole point is to optimize this",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:17:06+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0faaa019c1674a1ca30ffab596337a47",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "bitcoin core is not a blob that needs to absorb the entire bitcoin ecosystem",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:17:15+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c5e020c637564e639e1c35df1456bd26",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "It would be nice if indexes could be attached to bitcoin core at runtime (external modules), but we are not there yet",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:17:23+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "9d1b9d8a98224794a939df0394296a0d",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "jonasschnelli: indeed",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:17:35+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "18af3600533a48b3bbbd4f5883fce3f3",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "Adding a complete address index is against the project modularization.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:17:35+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0dad91dcc1df4fd993f61f4795830189",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "it's scope creep",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:17:43+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a265b597b656421db0fd67e56c3b2aab",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "I think adding more interfaces to allow \"better\" interaction would be the way to go",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:17:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b54ed07232774a26833b505e3403c5a9",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "at least the argument of it being invasive validation code changes doesn't apply anymore",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:17:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b6cd943da8f2458e9cbb0d6cedcfd109",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "and there are already solutions for it",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:17:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7ebe0272b77b49ae9c62ed8c37a09a18",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "bitcoin-tx is scope creep as well (playing devils advocate)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:18:19+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d75584a3096b41ec9d89d3a20ca83713",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: well, external programs exist for it, it's supposedly possible",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:18:22+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6b401079c5764480abee1be87ce7ffd5",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "I also see (and feel) the point that it would be \"handy\" to have it \"in one box\". But long term, it might a bad idea",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:18:32+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "20ce4e2acf1c4801a25c585add295ff6",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin-core/btcdeb is also scope creep",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:18:48+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c66d661781f04790a896924f564b5c83",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "well then people could make a bitcoin core + electrs bundle, for example",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:19:00+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0ce66add06fa4eda89d26e995a58c120",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "there's lots of systems like docker that allow shipping multiple software that works together in one box",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:19:24+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "035dbe64ee05442ab978642ca43739d7",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "my primary objection is \"nobody should be using this\"",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:19:32+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5a2d9df08c82457f980032b86456a5ce",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: that's literally a separate repository though :)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:20:00+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c37443906ff54f0b8d98fa5a0a512ec1",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "but if people are going to use this anyway, and it can be added without being too invasive, and being optional... from a code maintenance perspective i don't have that much problems with it",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:20:06+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2f7cc63d2e80418ebc8fedbe6c74caff",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "I guess there are reasons to use it,... if your backend servers hundreds of wallets and if you want instance seed-backup restores",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:20:17+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fc6e7e5150214a9cab155512b818083f",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "It is still a repo in our org ;)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:20:26+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0ce54fcb6fd845f49596cf1f7f060ed6",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "*instant",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:20:27+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "270589efff6f42539efe288181bb4df4",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: I don't have a problem with it being in the org",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:20:36+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d5a6be9383374502845a8b05eb700422",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "Yes.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:20:45+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "add063b19751443bb5d2f9e10f30dfd0",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "just not everything needs to be part of the bitcoin core repostiory",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:20:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "13174a205a6247d39997ad1acbd74953",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "The address index could be outside our repo and I think it would be fine",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:21:01+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "77a9a947e5bb4bc9b6d21909a4df5d19",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "Maybe similar like the guy... but ideally process separated from the beginning.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:21:26+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "06430c9f785645a4a9b0228b446b3d58",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "*GUI",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:21:28+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "39062a63abe641719254f54bdb34548a",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "let's fork electrs into bitcoin-core then :)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:21:46+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8c2ed3e90a44430294b5bb248e7e19a0",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": ":/",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:21:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fda73395f9f5470fbe19692a85b6c246",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "txindex is slightly helpful for speeding up our own RPCs (getrawtransaction), i don't think there's a similar rationale for needing an integrated addrindex?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:22:38+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "09917e2249164b58ae5ed454e72070f7",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "getrawtransactionsbyaddress, an RPC that very unhelpfully always reports the \"RPC does not exist\" error right now",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:23:35+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "84665791c76a4fce87e5d231236ef86a",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "how does txindex speed things up?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:24:19+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0e36fd2af99543e1bb21ffcd53f5692f",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "why is an index for the utxo set not enoght?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:24:22+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "712afc7522f74406b2f5a14fb82bcaae",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "If you want the spent history, use blockfilters",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:24:41+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ab1d343528c3485db2d883d75a926217",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "i commented",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:26:34+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5584f190b08545039b8b51a8c7fa4431",
      "sender": "bitcoin-git",
      "payload": "[bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #20690: Clean up logging of outbound connection type (master...2020-12-clean-up-outbound-logging) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20690",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:27:01+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "4756f7b244b643eea33b4e6c1c229387",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: compared to looping over every historical block and checking blockfilters, it's O(log(txs)) vs O(blocks)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:27:08+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "59cdeae3528f49e68e15a62b9fa92b25",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "it will just be the same discussion again that's been done many times over the years i expect",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:27:14+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "273561137d5e4539abc285da1f94beb2",
      "sender": "jamesob",
      "payload": "jonatack: thanks!",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:28:25+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0854faca776e4144aa7fa777010a11c9",
      "sender": "jamesob",
      "payload": "I have some feedback from wumpus to address I think",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:28:38+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d98d210c28534bfdaad901617256e16c",
      "sender": "fjahr",
      "payload": "jonasschnelli: I think such a combo is worth exploring",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:28:46+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "42c8fd484ec64c2b95da43d12b804b80",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "fjahr: look at #20664 (for performance analysis)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:29:12+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fad40b7f615049758fe28c02592be548",
      "sender": "gribble",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20664 | Add scanblockfilters RPC call by jonasschnelli \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #20664 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:29:14+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8009d14b532e46bd917424fb50ab3a4e",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "so when rc4 topic?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:29:33+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1f275360ef3640f49e4fe6ee9eb51a62",
      "sender": "fjahr",
      "payload": "jonasschnelli: will do",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:29:47+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ab0d767ec05740c9a2c6f771f348f235",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "#topic rc4 status, macos codesigning fix (wumpus)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:30:42+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b0aacba89be04e33a53d7216b268a3b6",
      "sender": "core-meetingbot",
      "payload": "topic: rc4 status, macos codesigning fix (wumpus)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:30:42+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "9d1ec17d86684015bca39a3b902c9b02",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "I saw there are two parellel workarounds for the rc3 macos signing issue",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:31:13+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "4b8872d050594ba58cc6c9be97ed2c99",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "so we have two possible (temporary?) fixes for macos codesigning, #20638 and #20644",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:31:23+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "93a012e937624c219790670c83569397",
      "sender": "gribble",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20638 | build: Fix macOS code signing by pre-allocating space for the code signature during gitian build by achow101 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #20638 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:31:25+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0610d7dfc3f0401e8dade8c8d06fe85c",
      "sender": "gribble",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20644 | Add patch to make codesign_allocate compatible with Apples by sipa \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #20644 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:31:27+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "238e2832de6046559ac0726329e2deff",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "we'll probably want to choose one",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:31:27+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "34ed5b77528940dd9cec97fc49ffe89c",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "i think both are fine",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:31:32+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "79238488a2374dda868cc7cba1831949",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "and if achow101's python codesigner works, all of this will be obsolete",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:31:56+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "320cb78c953248d4b51e024c95e6c1ad",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "s/if/when/ - no pressure",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:32:04+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "62da103363ed4d358afe1f276a13bcdf",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "heh",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:32:11+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ea50d59069194fb3bd5c94484c8617d7",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "but that's more of a long-run solution",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:32:14+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6bd8c391cf824b7189e154629a7a6430",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "it's coming along slowly",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:32:17+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cc7cd2e95e424c64b8710ab5b1032536",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "achow101: no pressure,.. but will it be ready for an rc4? :)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:32:35+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3b651c00eb78469bb2bd07aa175dac58",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "I might have a PoC tomorrow",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:32:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "bd90909c0bfa43cf84acc767d4dd3a73",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "Maybe for 0.21 we should use the existing solutions and use 0.22 (+backport) for achow101 signing tool",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:33:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7c1e15e90a4d4dc0b1a084470e109a09",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "I don't think it's a good idea to introduce something like that between rcs",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:33:18+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "571a78e4235d4c87976f35df3fe467fc",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "yeah, not really relevant in this discussion; we can just pick one; my PR makes our codesign compatible with Apple's (to the extent that we know, but it can always change); achow's works around the issue (by predicting some things the Apple code will do)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:33:18+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "487442c4405040f096dbd1f6afbb8e76",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "jonasschnelli: seems reasonable",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:33:21+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "64de2519aa514e4a80247ed61856dfd4",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "unless there is no other workable option, of course",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:33:42+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "06e56837d7ea47d9b9427d0b6248ecaf",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "sipa's PR is an easier fix and maybe less risky?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:33:43+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d6a21aef78ba4ff789399994dd9f0699",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "(if we going to drop it anyways)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:33:51+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5539de4480ab43ccaa19959d9408d0f6",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "I think sipa's PR potentially has other side effects that we haven't discovered",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:34:08+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b1ca3a9de50e42a9a4ddb81eaafc1f31",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "well, the signature validates",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:34:21+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1dfcf59fdc454c5dbc5d13156ba08f31",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "since it modifies cctools and we use more than just codesign_allocate in it",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:34:23+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e06533a9a8ac48cf9d431cf7c880c75c",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "sipa: it only needs to work for rc4 and final release",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:34:32+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "168895cd911448dd90c619c27fa3b01c",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "hmm, do we?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:34:34+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fb891b34ffa1494b88f0558e99fd34bb",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "(oh... and maybe for 0.20.2)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:34:41+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "43e7fe6039cb437fb1467aef8f791604",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "what else from cctools do we use?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:34:47+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2772e05d9bfd422f9ee95a3f900fa9cb",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "pagestuff, but it doesn't seem to be effected",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:35:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8171c5acc6db4fcf8e33e2fb3bb4e4ed",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "I believe we use it as our binutils",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:35:56+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "73f42a2e554b4688afb5d424900ad321",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "For macOS targets",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:36:03+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "817b6bc933e140b48f278223ec91a923",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "the changed function only affects codesign_allocate, lipo, bitcode_strip, and segedit",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:36:03+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "4b8bf0c1de4a4ba8bf2e3c68148407cc",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "I thought we used some of the tools for building but I'm not sure",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:36:06+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "16469726ce854845b481e0bb8bdb514d",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "anyway, no strong feelings",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:36:40+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ef04a8c56a744455aeb192c8978e6442",
      "sender": "dongcarl",
      "payload": "I don't think we use any of the other ones sipa just listed, need to double check tho",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:36:40+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e372431afaa840e486c61e3882c92afd",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "and no point spending much time on this",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:36:43+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "867f855ff2b04ef0bfdbc78080795c42",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "well, at least during testing we didn't find any other problems, so it's probably fine",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:37:19+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "88a7dafa2cc6451ca6e5b18e907e3d1d",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "ok",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:39:37+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "02d6dc4d37a9402bad2dcca8e1c0e3ba",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "I propose to merge #20644 and do rc4 and 0.20.2rc1. Then wait for achow101 signing tool to have a stable long term fix",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:39:56+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c8284a6385ce40b3bf7eb2be89488d21",
      "sender": "gribble",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20644 | Add patch to make codesign_allocate compatible with Apples by sipa \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #20644 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:39:58+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b41a1bf116de4da8a8e1d72e4a64ba88",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "(then revert 20644)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:40:08+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "283584143e694b98a6afd53bd3232393",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "so let's try merging sipa's patch and do rc4, if that runs into unexpected issues, try the other one?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:40:14+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0eb4298633cc4b8e9031a1b58c4e457d",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "sure",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:40:22+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fc33bd652dd347a3b665b56f3dc44387",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "ack",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:40:26+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "59cd7de421c14c18a627bd7f926bfae7",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "ack",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:40:27+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cfc77d390c7f4040b73ecab57ea37d67",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "also #20646 in rc4 or not?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:40:32+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b49d56c17fc54e6e8a16487cd47e0ea1",
      "sender": "gribble",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20646 | p2p: ignore post-verack sendaddrv2 instead of disconnecting by jonatack \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #20646 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:40:34+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7f951e1297074287bb45d1c6a96f70a5",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "as pointed out, it makes little sense if it doesn't go in 0.21",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:40:44+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "41a4e6ce93a44a0d962ab70b970b60f4",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "sipa: I don't think people even agree about doing it",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:40:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f20f9adac3eb4b60b05620087b423c76",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "yeah",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:42:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "4f1447fec3334614ab7098c78936497c",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "it has three acks and a +/- 0?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:42:12+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ebe5d0da39974042b21c2eab0124368c",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "my ACK is more of a 'I don't disagree with doing this and the code change looks correct'",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:42:51+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5e5bb1f110fc4090a988c33289b8061e",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": ".",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:44:29+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "64e1e372cb1c412d8fcf531c4f0e0b69",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "...",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:45:37+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0b3036db1e714d24ba31074e2ebc3566",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "i don't think i have anything to add that's not already in the pr",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:45:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "41feac39d9f1482abaf646c8bb9bdb01",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "same",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:46:03+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f21cf8b8b62048bbaae2600fd03e4b4e",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "someone should flip a coin",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:46:13+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d3ae09ce5a4e496e977165734eb2ada1",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "if we're not sure it's better to err on the side of not making a code change",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:46:31+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a6d76f0d6ebd4557ad4b0151befe2ea1",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "Jackielove4u spend 2h the other night debugging test failures because of it, likewise it broke syncing signet, i don't really see why this is a coin toss",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:47:35+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d7b6efb0378b4e048ad1871604a7daf8",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "especially if it's a merge-and-rush-into-rc4-last-minute thing",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:47:41+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6ffd5a0f03ce419fbeaa1d64f5042121",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "aj: ah, other report of someone hit by it?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:48:38+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3485986935ce40bcbfa8f4495091dad5",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "sipa: had bitcoin-qt and bitcoind refusing to connect, didn't realise bitcoin-qt was still rc2",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:49:07+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b73739bd72bd41d1b3399ca6226c59a8",
      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "i'm ambivalent, but it seems safer to ignore instead of disconnect if we're in doubt. the signet thing, and also a year ago we had to pull a release",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:49:17+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3250dfba3a8841c888a1b9e54baaa532",
      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "and anything else we haven't hit related to it",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:49:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ab03432c23f2459fb368db220da9d97f",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "0.21.0 has had many of those 'we need to decide this last minute' and it doesn't make me comfortable",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:50:21+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8fbaf1c91fd0448980c9d9b96e9d4e58",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "The signet sync is already fixed, so merging the pull won't change that",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:50:25+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c76d65b317e34eff8ebd5734cf5685df",
      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "wumpus: i empathize",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:50:33+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "aabe39ed538c405b915ac7597fb085da",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "wumpus: there were a lot of big merges just before freeze",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:50:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c7966b2df96f4dd8978ae99abd3adb1a",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: great!",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:51:30+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c3dfb5bf491745ddaaae1c2ec6079437",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "maybe we need more time between freeze and rc1? (though I dislike the duration)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:51:45+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b41ce8602ef746cbb552d3114a78fd04",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "perhaps branch at freeze and tag rc1 weeks afterward?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:52:00+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "72415b6722114ba488efbd141901e028",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "that's just more backporting work",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:52:12+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1aaf54c255cf464fa9c45c058033f4dd",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "luke-jr: That'd mean too much work backporting",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:52:20+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0e1e4e1ea21341fbb84625748aac9e9f",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "luke-jr: most stuff appears in rcs.. :/",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:52:23+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "331efda0076340c791c9585a4546a3ee",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "Also, most rc issues are build system issues",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:52:45+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ca31b6e04b0e4d538f11d31772e409a7",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "jonasschnelli: bugs appearing and fixed in rcs is completely normal and expected, what bothers me is these kind of last minute protocol handling changes",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:52:57+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c6da6ce360e74d89b819767c9e7bc3f3",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "So you won't find them before the tag",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:53:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e7c118d285f64ad1956e8748e8df7055",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "wumpus: indeed.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:53:09+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e58b7a5f2a904b3aa5c4bae4456746c0",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "Although, ignoring them is also no option",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:53:19+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d8f4c69aa0934e38828fe3273997277e",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "jonasschnelli: well if MarcoFalke says the signet sync issue is fixed",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:53:38+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cb44483c2cae44bba4765fa05c12ac38",
      "sender": "jonasschnelli",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: good point",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:53:41+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5cfeea69305e4e57b7448467cf705a87",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "well it's fixed for people who update",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:53:56+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "4baa515c8b6243778e025008d883a221",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "no?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:54:03+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "758c5b82bf8747b2bc7d840c123e4f29",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "that was already the case",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:54:09+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fe78d0d22956442a91fa0719f8ae61c5",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "the original issue was people running rc3 couldn't sync from the non-tor seed node",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:54:37+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e6c151047eea48a0a974166aa560991f",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "sipa: The seed node was on rc2, so a user updating to rc3 *broke* it",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:54:42+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "22f17f65af46482081cd302621f04d15",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "ah i see",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:54:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f6d30f176b544086bcddf1f540c2393d",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "ok, fair point",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:54:59+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cf2ee3cea8484e5b88f3c6a0e5a2ab1e",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "*pre-rc2 (not sure if it was actually rc2)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:55:07+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e07e2d58bbcd44bb84cdb62066fcb562",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "that node is now updated, so now anyone running rc2 and earlier can't sync from it instead",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:55:08+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cfdae8a4c0a240d3b1f23c5cca2393ee",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "aj: Correct",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:55:29+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "9bba6ee468ef48129eb9bde9b024362e",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "i think the seed node was a previous version of #19937",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:55:43+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0894e833177c49f29fae2e5803098b50",
      "sender": "gribble",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19937 | signet mining utility by ajtowns \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #19937 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:55:46+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6be878c07d5b412a909d113997a56dea",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "so it's not really signet-specific anymore... the question is just whether gratuitous disconnection of existing old nodes is worth slightly better observability of people implementing the protocol incorrectly",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:55:48+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "95f7a0d71385494090e3eb971bf96b9b",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "aj: Though, that seems like a feature (telling people to upgrade from non-supported versions)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:55:54+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b27b942cd7944df3aeaf58965eb3d4e6",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "there isn't any released node that will be disconnected right?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:56:20+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a4911a64788b44c088652a6108e85e4b",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: telling people to upgrade sure, but this is just \"it fails for no apparent reason\"",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:56:20+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "46f82c8e442a4661b0c2541d72de9278",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "wumpus: correct",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:56:29+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "917783b124c64159a9d1882fc07e919d",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "I mean if you implement the ignoring someone might spent hours debugging why addrv2 doesn't work",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:57:07+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ba592318b5984c82a9b8edd6fbe9df25",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "it was affecting signet disproportionally because of course all signet nodes were running pre-release code",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:57:10+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ee1ec50aec58433fa66e292f189bcd6a",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "sometimes I wish we still had the reject message",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:57:24+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a53f9cacd54e4586b51cf908be3dcc1b",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "the reject message was replaced by -debug=net",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:57:47+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a8a377fb15d440f59111bacfe6ea3296",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "it could send an error to the peer before disconnecting, or in general when not accepting it",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:58:01+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "60be64cb27ef4ce68668e4c1063cc94e",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "wumpus: maybe, but if they're trying to make it work is \"why am i getting addr and not addrv2?\" really that different from \"why am i being disconnected?\"",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:58:03+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1fb104751ae54b16975e7f953f24a902",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "it would have been nice if there was this much resistance to #20564 :-/",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:58:14+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0bb77b5dafdd4d44a15db2749301d2a2",
      "sender": "gribble",
      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20564 | Dont send sendaddrv2 to pre-70016 software, and send before verack by sipa \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #20564 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-12-17T19:58:18+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b94ec43892674da7a21deae779489018",
      "sender": "sipa",
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