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      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "#topic High priroity for review",
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. HNY may refer to: Happy New Year (2014 film) Hengyang Nanyue Airport, IATA code HNY.",
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      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "10 blockers (!), 7 chasing concept ACK https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8",
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      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:05:13+00:00"
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      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "sipa: it has to be a film? O.o",
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      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "better get to reviewing :)",
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      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:05:20+00:00"
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "new year's resolution: review more PRs (and also, 1080p)",
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      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "would be nice to get #10785 in soon, it's about time, it's from 2017",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:06:36+00:00"
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      "payload": "https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10785 | Serialization improvements by sipa \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 Pull Request #10785 \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 bitcoin/bitcoin \u00c3\u0082\u00c2\u00b7 GitHub",
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      "id": "55a0060715cd4305aa7af69cc5704fb5",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "I definitely wouldn't have the patience to keep rebasing a PR for that long",
      "action": false,
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      "id": "5f32345975f14042af5c813e29ae5b4c",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "sipa, review in 1080 pixel instead of  360 pixel?",
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "wumpus: making a minimal initial PR with just 2 commits",
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      "id": "d50e92addaf146a6809b3983278db0a8",
      "sender": "jonatack",
      "payload": "i think kallewoof wanted to move #16411 from chasing concept acks over to high-priority",
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      "id": "7a0d83b7b48746ebb24ae2cf010ad64c",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "sipa: oh, it grew over time",
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      "id": "8195620617484527be96ca835f9f1151",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "jonatack: ok",
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "wumpus: not really, and the recent protobuf purging simplified it a bit, actually",
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      "id": "f7ded07a7e0147b99cb45676f1ac02a4",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "but still, it seems there is little appetite to review the whole thing at once",
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      "id": "be5896ee867c4dfdb827196215b9c373",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "in any case, concept ack on moving #16411 from chasing concept ack to blocker",
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      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:08:55+00:00"
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      "id": "6db9382e1e28419a88be488533e44e59",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "well tons of people reviewed it",
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      "id": "bbee41a0d4984e1ba0ff9b486e29b745",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "looking at number of comments at least",
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      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:09:23+00:00"
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "many ryanofsky reviews mostly, iirc :)",
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      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:09:42+00:00"
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      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "ah couldn't really see due to github comment hiding gymnastics",
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      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:10:03+00:00"
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      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "XD",
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      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:10:34+00:00"
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      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "#topic Vanilla debian Bitcoin Core package (MarcoFalke)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:10:57+00:00"
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      "id": "8043aeac942540c591e8e6834f0b4dc7",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "must be heavy on their poor Ruby infrastructure",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:10:58+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "1a983f89ad3749b9ad590796dbbe05e3",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: ^",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:12:08+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "02905eb26c324d29a191926fd2bdc6ea",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "So packaging is still an unsolved problem for Linux distros. We stopped maintaining the Ubuntu PPA due to numerous problems and provided flatpak and snapcraft packages.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:12:08+00:00"
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    {
      "id": "3f89b97b382c40cdbd2e8d755eecee1d",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "oh, the ppa is no longer maintained?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:12:27+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "488169716b8f43a2ad6932533f7f1ce9",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "Though, that uncovered other issues",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:12:28+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "da0a7d30c3f8499097cfa59c5ae60e9f",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: Matt stopped maintaining the PPA. I didn't.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:12:28+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "62544fd1e9ef4d52929a89787cb90bb1",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "wumpus: the bitcoin/bitcoin one Matt used to have is unmaintained now",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:12:39+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "5ca7fd78d4a3481ebd34f72deb00ff76",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "luke-jr: There are still issues with the ppa, even if maintained.",
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      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:13:00+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "9eacfc4ae1be494e94dfc1c4d54569be",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "yes, if it was just a matter of maintenance we could try to find someone else to do it",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:13:26+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "990eb123965147259bd4efb6a87807cf",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "what are the issues?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:13:26+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f2ede96372b74be3b7c39c9a16dd74fa",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "IMO flatpak/snapcraft aren't comparable, but go on",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:13:36+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c9b77a3896c94193b8632abbc20553de",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "(FWIW, my PPA is at https://launchpad.net/~luke-jr/+archive/ubuntu/bitcoincore )",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:13:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7f7f492e4b8e45dfa5b39cb1afa1c4f3",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "yes, what are ths issues?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:14:38+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "884c52a0adc14811ae9684d0b51b9b94",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "achow101: On the top of my head: * not reproducible builds, no way to verify what happened on the build servers. * People installing the ubuntu ppa on non-ubuntu distros (https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian )",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:14:39+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "127690e19413484cbf9bcb4b08cac3e7",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "except non-determinism",
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      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:14:42+00:00"
    },
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      "id": "ba3d2888d798471597fdf61a951c7b70",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "yes I mean non-reproducible",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:14:53+00:00"
    },
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      "sender": "jamesob",
      "payload": "hi",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:15:05+00:00"
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      "id": "15db909d51c44d0581639c88499c2038",
      "sender": "bitcoin-git",
      "payload": "[bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #17850: Serialization improvements (minimal initial commits) (master...202001_noncastserial) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17850",
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      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:15:07+00:00"
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      "id": "0cbec33665254dd59f20047c4814cb98",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "ok, so no real issues? :P",
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      "id": "fa6a432511e44a368f6f0defff0b5e84",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "(non-determinism isn't an issue IMO since it's built by the distro co)",
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      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:15:22+00:00"
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      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "is there a ppa-like system for debian?",
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      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:15:27+00:00"
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      "id": "eb41fca1514541ea85efe037a629cbe0",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "wumpus: you can manually add repos, but nothing as easy as PPA AFAIK :/",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:15:39+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "ca7be8c8713f499fbb18e349046f5d26",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "* The ppa is also updated only after the OS has been released, so upgrading the Ubuntu might lead to issues",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:15:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d06238bc7dfb4bb0869a78053861f8bf",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "QuickBuild.io provides PPAs for Debian, but in my experience they don't work :/",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:15:51+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "762b461343ee474cbc73d0052ae73531",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: I don'",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:16:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a4e93a1bc8d84d0e95de2dcd768bc7ba",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: I don't understand what you mean there",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:16:09+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fd0ad5adacfc4ddbbfd4624b15164a34",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "* The ppa only supports one version of Bitcoin Core, so  (not) updating Bitcoin Core might lead to issues",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:16:16+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "94de589cbec348d98c864218fd460989",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "I'm interested in that problem, yes, auto-update kind of sucks for bitcoin",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:16:51+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d7248f88048d491d9377ace9bb91429f",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "it should be a user decision to upgrade",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:17:11+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3e623bccdb0c476b8579ccf29a692120",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "auto-update is the entire point of PPAs, though",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:17:11+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a7f7343821c84599a58cfcc6171fa6cf",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "luke-jr: The ppa was only compiled for (let's say Ubuntu 18.04 after it has been released. I.e. Apr 18) So it is harder to install it for the Ubuntu Beta?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:17:13+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3a216983268741159a95fc6825106063",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "could we do better?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:17:22+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "df0ce0f7304a4ff795548b56077c2abc",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: not if we update the PPA timely",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:17:34+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "bfee58b814384316a348e39e5a622c8a",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "(apart from having a new package for every new release0",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:17:39+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "dff9f6956e2d405ba8b40dcac7abddb0",
      "sender": "jamesob",
      "payload": "Wouldn't it be better just to provide a shell script that people can curl that builds from source than trying to cater to bad distro build infra?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:17:40+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "82b9d8e72bbd4c249c9930770e44111a",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "jamesob: eww, no",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:18:00+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "66baa88a6ecc40aaaa7488e7dabbb252",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: is your suggestion that we also build debs and upload them to bitcoincore.org?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:18:15+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2ce775cab8c74ec38b55587763ddc9bd",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "I mean ,we already have binary builds for linux",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:18:16+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2a5eca5899ac4d35bd45378a9427d34a",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "they should work on most distros",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:18:22+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "23e7b990ba504b92bf72e8af0e843b4d",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "definitely debian and fedora",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:18:28+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "4016ca41122b4c0b9fd97d908a2bada4",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "I've been keeping an archive of PPA-generated .debs locally FWIW",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:18:35+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "4a480d9ae2044336b8d02c6a96358df6",
      "sender": "jamesob",
      "payload": "Yeah, so what's wrong with saying \"ppa build infra isn't up to our standards, so go to these other places\"",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:18:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a5a6a65b979143e59a0021e48dfb1b41",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "wumpus: they only work on Ubuntu in my experience; at least not on Gentoo",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:18:54+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d70c15fa078a416a9ea59d11cc4c5b1e",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "the only exception really is non-glibc",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:18:56+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a44af880cac04f489aba126e5c7d2736",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "luke-jr: Are you volunteering to update the PPA timely for the full matrix of distros/version of Bitcoin Core?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:19:01+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e7a3b6c799cf4ec2bb46f7673ab3e9e3",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "jamesob: I see no problem w/ the build infra",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:19:08+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5d6785e028f847a7803780562de6792b",
      "sender": "jamesob",
      "payload": "didn't someone say the buids aren't reproducible?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:19:28+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1777d444a0ac469a95602229592421bb",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: I can only update the PPA for Launchpad-supported distros, but yes, I have been and intend to continue updating it",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:19:31+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c9602ac3868049f3af54555429c49229",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "jamesob: neither is the rest of the OS",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:19:37+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "04888c38e94944eb8793429ebe62d1b8",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "jamesob: PPAs are Canonical built for Canonical distros",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:19:57+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7c47f2aa4ce247b384963f9f71835ec6",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "so anyway: what is the proposal here?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:20:17+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fc00b4ee56d64f97bd979e2f8ad0cbee",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "And also, PPAs are not friendly for new users (novice linux users). E.g. I avoid them because it is easy to break the whole system with them.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:20:28+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1b77c41d7a0a4b0ea7189b60ab350832",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "wumpus: My proposal is to have vanilla packages",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:20:39+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b7ea05b551854d9fb5a704d001937c39",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "how would you do that?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:20:46+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5e967869e4ad407790bd66fe04c0f702",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "in the vanilla package manager of the distro",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:20:47+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c3d672fcf45146879e9ac649b5c70536",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: we explicitly advise distros NOT to do that..",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:21:00+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b9537b600b074bbda72e48ddcbcf27e2",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "that's up to the distros, right?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:21:04+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "96953a4745a2445daf79b3908383ecb0",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "also, that has the same problems as the PPA?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:21:09+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a5a4e606f3f147719112c772ec44afd1",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "luke-jr: Why?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:21:12+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3a978c0b2414439a8a2158843271bbd5",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: 1) their LevelDB packages don't meet consensus-safety standards, and they will not use embedded copies",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:21:38+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2f1bc77f427e4e9fbc31015cafee9e71",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: 2) they won't deploy even minor fixes to stable versions",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:22:01+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "587fc9758353425797f314f8763cf3ad",
      "sender": "fanquake",
      "payload": "Hi",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:22:04+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "259ea3b5795246e7a7c78017f6d0f95b",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "looks up our advisement to see if there's anything else",
      "action": true,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:22:25+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "68c9d8e43bb143d7be752f6a771c3ad1",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "1) We release versions of Bitcoin Core with different versions of leveldb. So the versioning shouldnt' be an issue. If the packaging is an issue, it can be changed, maybe",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:22:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "68d45df883fe4f36b067fbb00d0b8f48",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "bleh, not using the embedded leveldb would really be inadvisable",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:23:18+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "70ab8097889441e9bce677706e17a3f0",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "for reference, here was our 2013 advisement: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/20130723-linux-distribution-packaging-and-bitcoin.md.asc",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:23:27+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3cc9fb9c82e444e9bab0e59e7f50e06b",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "2) Releasing new versions can be done with \"backports\", like it is done with clang-8 on Bionic Ubuntu and security fixes are alwasy deployed",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:23:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "34189b24808a41f6a138b0288ed01543",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: backports are no less trouble than PPAs",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:24:07+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e5b0d1fbbe4c464892a395b326db0b6d",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "PPAs are better because users already have them",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:24:18+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "40774e7d07b94690af3ce31329541a36",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "(for the initial install)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:24:25+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c42ca07b904d4a1e9c941a7c1eb31f91",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "also, the existence of bad PPAs doesn't mean *our* PPAs need to be bad; and not using a PPA ourselves doesn't make the bad ones go away",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:24:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f2faf6ff1162496087d6f4a65936ac44",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "PPAs are bad pratice in general",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:25:34+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "bb03f7aadbc44c84951ebaea614bb6b9",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "they aren't",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:25:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "dbcdbade77014e13ace3d2e4d7948f3d",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "I don't think PPAs are bad practice in general, not on ubuntu at least, installing them to other distros like debian is obviously bad",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:26:32+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0c594d082cae4f859d735d9d0ed277ea",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "And the bitcoin Core PPA is being used against best practices, so providing one is like encouraging those bad practices",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:26:43+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "37708d4c18d24d58980f467815c24ec0",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: what do you mean by that (just curious, i know very little about them)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:27:15+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "659bd95ac64a4b8e915b131cde8e853d",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "yes, PPAs target a specific distro/release and shouldn't be used on others",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:27:16+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "952c63ffe03d4f2882605774da5cf8c7",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "in any case, I think we need to be really careful to reconsider the advisement",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:27:16+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "50cba16701754c6fb1b7ef7166ee840c",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "we don't want zillions of nodes running years-old software by accident, not because they want to but just because there's no upgrade path",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:28:06+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3beb537799834e709ee829c840f16235",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "sipa: PPAs are usually compiled for a specific OS version and might break things if installed on a different OS version. E.g. install an Bionic ppa on Ubuntu 19.10 or even Debian",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:28:20+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "99fb45224cad46caa7524bba3a0ea767",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "agreed",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:28:22+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "763f11c57cd34f4f9c84bfaab1d9b77c",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "distro packages are likely to end up with *new* users installing obsolete versions",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:28:25+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "20014e76a48848bfbadf20b8470c557d",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "luke-jr: perhaps - but is that really the alternative? given things like snap/flatpak?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:29:16+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "406b265306634572be1f2cc2252a6cc8",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "MarcoFalke: at least the ppa-add script avoids that, it will only add the ppa for the release that a user has",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:29:21+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "96cca9131db44d2a8177788e5c86fb08",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "Ok, so if the preference is to stick with PPAs, we should maintain them",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:29:42+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "409766cae43b4d68a5bf6d7c90958638",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "sipa: that's the topic ;)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:29:47+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cf7d7ca441244df38419d7b65d5ed367",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "luke-jr: i think a reasonable conclusion could be that for our use case both distro packages and PPAs are bad",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:30:14+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "adb0639c8c8c4bc4900f7be0c2e35dc1",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "sipa: PPAs aren't bad though.. :/",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:30:24+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "97bf4942b7f64943a90d0dd7b9c7134e",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "yes, they're targetted, but that's kinda the point",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:30:37+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8bc79f2f4fc84d9ea3dc30e144e94e25",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "luke-jr: i said for our use case",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:30:38+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "be103a634d734de6864d8dae7ada699c",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "I'm not convinced PPAs are really bad",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:30:40+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "90898bffb67746c28cf8777946e9a51a",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "if they result in people running old unupgradable versions",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:30:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6f7c03c707fc4f2abf65c7a33a814c5c",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "sipa: they don't",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:31:00+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "983a12de554344118c188725b4e18946",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "though I prefer people to use the deterministic binaries from bitcoincore.org",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:31:03+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fad5a40a4f1c4361972a6e9e35ca8ceb",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "PPAs can be updated for every release",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:31:07+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5bf5604c68ee4e29b2bb1d266c95c31d",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "but distro packages wouldn't improve that",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:31:20+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1e042b8088f44b9e852c45a14360f4a1",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "every Core release*",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:31:27+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b46f039aa62247a8baeff09b49196c5d",
      "sender": "MarcoFalke",
      "payload": "Well, some people use curl $latest_release, so they end up with no upgrade path through $package_manager update",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:31:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "949a1116c3d8418eb6be96cce2d4fbf9",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "sipa: for example, my PPA currently has 0.19.0.1 for every supported Ubuntu version; when 0.19.1 is out, it will get that for all versions too",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2020-01-02T19:31:57+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "bbcf2dbde1c44498b0d56238a9683837",
      "sender": "wumpus",
      "payload": "no, PPAs (at least used to) be updated with every release of core",
      "action": false,
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