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  "original_topic": "Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | This is the channel for developing Bitcoin Core. Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-core-dev, http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/",
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      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "#startmeeting",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:22:24+00:00"
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      "id": "c6b94fe31eb049329cd206aa871efb76",
      "sender": "lightningbot",
      "payload": "Meeting started Thu Jul  5 19:22:24 2018 UTC.  The chair is sipa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:22:24+00:00"
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      "id": "58b938e491464bce8df4d1d66a0c07aa",
      "sender": "lightningbot",
      "payload": "Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.",
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      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:22:24+00:00"
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    {
      "id": "aad83da151cf45b59423958d2e1943e0",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "The meeting is dead. Long live the meeting.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:22:34+00:00"
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    {
      "id": "46b2b59aea7d44869a060b76f5a9942e",
      "sender": "cfields",
      "payload": "heh, mutiny is afoot",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:22:49+00:00"
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      "id": "2ba5d83a204c49cd96145ed356335a62",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "what would an 8-hour rotation thing look like?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:23:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "56a47e8927824a4c826e5a3079f71851",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "3:00, 11:00, 19:00 UTC",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:23:21+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "690336e0416d4a8293c5d743f5baa4fb",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "it's probably too confusing...",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:24:02+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b72831eae6514cbeb680796d8c384e8b",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "probably rather than discussing this here someone should go make some proposals (including times in common timezones).",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:24:04+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a30b4ffafc7e466fab41af3a1dc1606c",
      "sender": "cfields",
      "payload": "those annoying doodle availability polls handle this really well.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:24:33+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2279490884e145f7aef53152fa6efdb0",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "cfields just volunteered? :)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:24:56+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "241586b8332e4c599f6087db63d26988",
      "sender": "cfields",
      "payload": "sipa: sure, I'll take a crack at it.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:25:16+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8b5569cb610744c4a993d7ee757b5c65",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "that would be good data.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:25:25+00:00"
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    {
      "id": "2d3d12a8b4c749e19bf28041f7ec550d",
      "sender": "cfields",
      "payload": "as much as people move around, we could potentially re-vote each week and just have a dynamic time-slot...",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:25:34+00:00"
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    {
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      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "ugh",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:25:40+00:00"
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      "id": "e9df3d002b3a444887c9d7b18e1f2637",
      "sender": "cfields",
      "payload": "dunno if that'd be too chaotic",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:25:42+00:00"
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      "id": "ef0b0710dde54343b24968eead892f12",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "yes.",
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      "id": "de11316c06c4415ea4f8b46180f6ccc8",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "I'd never remember.",
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      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "way too confusing",
      "action": false,
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      "id": "ebb6f1fab9eb4de198970fcab4715f86",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "i already miss meetings when i'm traveling",
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      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:26:04+00:00"
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      "id": "3c7d5c592bbb40d3a1718c48bc071b30",
      "sender": "cfields",
      "payload": "k, fair enough. Will keep it simple.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:26:26+00:00"
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      "id": "bd0d9a4512a94274a0fca4cc60c63b0f",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "I already miss meetings when not traveling",
      "action": false,
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      "id": "50d04e404bc14189ae61bfee24770ea3",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "any other topics?",
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      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:26:33+00:00"
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      "id": "19ef3931713d486e84b7fbd8cb01a285",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "#topic Min relay fee (provoostenator)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:27:46+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "29bfd2a6b73744eba39931c8ed9c5ffd",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "Someone was suggesting minrelay fee. There was a conversation on twitter I was commenting about.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:27:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3edd8a028ed7460397f0789cb8e7e4d7",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "that.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:27:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "fd194e6460e8479fbbc315930041315a",
      "sender": "booyah",
      "payload": "vote on-chain for the time by donating to one of 24 addresses \\o/",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:28:39+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "0bfc7c3502c94bda8cc352f2aadc13c6",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "good idea",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:28:54+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5c3c2f0a3aff4b6b9d65a07b37315007",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "creates 24 addresses!",
      "action": true,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:28:59+00:00"
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    {
      "id": "be69e041d0df413a9f2010baec587e31",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "I'm not sure how much there is to say, really our infrastructure is setup to have a minimum.  The amount of relay-spam per $ tends to infinity as the fee goes to zero.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:29:00+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "abee47e6112b4494a218f9dbaded9d84",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "gmaxwell: I think the idea was that mempool size limits would effectively limit the amount and set an automatic min relay fee based on demand",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:29:51+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b2a75d84457743e393eaa75582f489a6",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "min-relay-fee has limited impact, because if tx rate goes up as a result, dynamic feerate kicks in",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:29:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1b0d00b52fef467d8dcb43110fd7e2aa",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "I admit that I kinda want to decrease it just to get people to stop thinking \"1\" is special.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:29:57+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "442279ba26214b94b35d0fdaa69470ca",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "but min incremental fee isn't",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:30:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "92ec451eab6b4d82b2458db80edbc64a",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "that's a fundamental relay cost metric",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:30:15+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "bd616259dd684e74a4001c50951c730b",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "sipa: yes, though not when the mempool limits are too large.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:30:17+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "31a0c94d99a2424f9e0e5bc407a64a6a",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "The last time I saw a non-zero automatic min relay fee was months ago, IIRC.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:30:44+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "9721a7f5d41545df9e3d3eebf338de09",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "lack of mempool sync also exacerbates this... even if there is enough data to fill, any given node won't have been online long enough to have it.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:31:36+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "717929b2eba64b479aafcfe9ab16f86b",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "gmaxwell: going from 1 to 0.5 or 0.1 would be nice, i've seen suggestions it doesn't work right in the code somewhere though?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:31:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "97103de285504fc8a660e1eb13c08daf",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "aj: those suggestions were confused.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:32:07+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8e3f6abac3534dc2bdd13efe6ad8f598",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "it's fine.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:32:11+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "9eb3b5b5c2d64b619480ebc3da00a97b",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "units in bitcoin are in sat per 1000 bytes...",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:32:20+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "967c95c670a7473a8a6c77b2d5e8badc",
      "sender": "booyah",
      "payload": "0.5 sat/byte? then everyone will assume thisis still the magic 1, but halved \"because segwit\" :)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:32:25+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "810a8e9620d44e9c85f65378833573c7",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "the \"1s/b\" thing is something varrious websites came up with.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:32:32+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "35f769f5d17a46d8bd2a10f7677d937b",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "yeah, my node's been set at 50s/kB for a while, but everything it connects to is 1000s/kB so it doesn't do much",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:33:01+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1931403ac28c41c5b9159e1229411157",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "aj: and even if the units internally were an issue, it would be trivial to go around and rescale them.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:33:10+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "3a7fb3d01f344d5382e0ef43c2413348",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "we internally represent everything as sat/kB",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:33:55+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "da076c93055a4405ad7081882ed1c5d2",
      "sender": "booyah",
      "payload": "fun fact, there are wallet like Mycelium that sometimes misscalculate and when preparing 1S/B tx, end up with 0.97.. S/B actuall tx and can not broadcast it currently",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:34:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "b019737258ce4f58a1ec22926a6f09f6",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "booyah: really? they should fix that",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:34:41+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "154ab801d1ea419a9537e7555e75a938",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "booyah: How the heck do they do that?",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:34:41+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5d84b74c528d4587935ab04bd1e5e868",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "yeah, xapo had a bug where the sigs were slightly bigger than estimated, and 1s/B target ended up at 0.9something s/B and wouldn't propogate",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:34:46+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "76aa33bf30414948aca20d47c8d39e47",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "...",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:34:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "4f206e6121a247ea897fe16fbafccf67",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "ah, they have the wrong number for the worst case sig size.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:35:02+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "6ce62c4d772240888c1b55192bb24e3d",
      "sender": "booyah",
      "payload": "gmaxwell: achow101 dunno why, just seen it happen. AFAIR it eventually worked out when manually broadcasting from core after really long time",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:35:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "c860538453b84a3cab3b9503fbf22148",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "yep",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:35:05+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "8b83637ba62940db9259e9d68f338976",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "gmaxwell: sigs larger than expected probably. I had this problem once with coin selection simulations",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:35:07+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "5f069d3bc68f49778dbb76c6ee07d852",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "not sure that's something we can fix for them",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:35:08+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1281c02ad4534895a6e0088d6435e374",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "they probably just took the size of the first sig they saw, rather than using the actual worst case.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:35:31+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2fc5e63658d2450fab5ef9622f6ce00f",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "if it was 0.5 s/B, they'd end up with 0.49",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:35:39+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "608690f405724370b900fea6d2714d0c",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "yea, nothing we do will fix that, I was just curious. :P",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:35:53+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e8aba444a78342f09289d7372dd05ede",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "https://www.blockchain.com/en/btc/tx/7f6d969774a6806ed136f892ad3ae8a32ba1dd55378942a00d117ca2837431b1",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:36:46+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "f6ea0fed1ce14f93bf6c54ad9bb9e25b",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "having a backlog of fees so the target isn't also the minimum would fix it :)",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:37:08+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "54d573c5d47d4fd3ab906e9117cc0a2b",
      "sender": "aj",
      "payload": "backlog of txes i mean",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:37:13+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "42962e0210a44a6bb3af6db832651fad",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "In any case, I don't see any harm in halving it. it would probably be prudent, esp as the bitcoin price has stably been something like 6x higher than the ATH at the time the current value was set.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:37:42+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1aea47ed195647b1b92a2b98f3754ca6",
      "sender": "booyah",
      "payload": "gmaxwell: people whill think it is halved \"due to segwit, hurrr\"",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:37:54+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a79165f53bd641178a4c7b619850cd39",
      "sender": "booyah",
      "payload": "0.4 or 0.6 \"fixes\" that, if you care for it",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:38:04+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "e5500111b08c47f6a1be1381acf5edb9",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "booyah: oh well, can't cure stupid. :P",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:38:08+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "cd508f51a92448d1ac58500ef76a78fd",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "IMO, unless we're going to aim for a minrelayfee-less design, it's a mostly harmless opportunity to let users campaign to have other users change the setting instead of using centrally-planned defaults; and if the default is changed, it'd be best to let some user PR it instead of a regular dev",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:38:17+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "d803308c3b8d4f6a91aa2f7ea4b8263d",
      "sender": "booyah",
      "payload": "already there is confusing is it s/VB or s/B",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:38:28+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "44f68e5cb863451ea6b71b15f25505aa",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "luke-jr: it reduces compact block relay efficiency though",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:38:40+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "a18a98b29290496f9984e2520919b534",
      "sender": "achow101",
      "payload": "booyah: everything in core is s/vb IIRC",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:38:49+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "2df16266f1324acbb97ebd6f7e725be9",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "node operators generally have an incentive to pick the same values as miners",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:38:52+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "40639dfe81cd4fe5a0a5cb4bd425a352",
      "sender": "booyah",
      "payload": "and above you said \"sat/kB\" :P see, everyone is confused about this",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:39:04+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "1009d0ac1ff245f6b818dfa5ac1a6253",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "sipa: vice-versa; miners have an incentive to pick the same as users",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:39:17+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "7ca154c6758047a0b9921a554a2edced",
      "sender": "gmaxwell",
      "payload": "luke-jr: Trying to make things work minrelayfeeless is probably not worsth the effort.",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:39:24+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "9830ade1fcc24f64b62b8f0d59f53ff7",
      "sender": "sipa",
      "payload": "1 sat/vB is already very low",
      "action": false,
      "timestamp": "2018-07-05T19:39:38+00:00"
    },
    {
      "id": "03074205e512442690bf47f58d2566d2",
      "sender": "luke-jr",
      "payload": "gmaxwell: I tend to agree",
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      "payload": "There is a bunch of stupid behavior that having a low but non-zero minimum avoids.",
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      "id": "ab8da99327b3425ba1fafbffc4bc5fed",
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      "payload": "I think at least half the benefit of decreasing it would be just shaking this idea that 1 is special. :P",
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      "payload": "sipa: in dollar terms, median fee rate was lower prior to about july 2016 (2c/tx versus 10c/tx) per https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-median_transaction_fee.html#log fwiw",
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      "payload": "anyway, UASF showed that users will take action when they need to; I think encouraging such user-driven action would be a good thing",
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      "payload": "but also because the mempool is frequently empty now. Some more consolation might be encouraged at lower feerates.",
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      "payload": "as an user, I can confirm it would fix that idea. (though 0.4 might be better)",
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      "payload": "especially when the side effects of disagreement are harmless",
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      "payload": "aj: keep in mind that segwit signnificantly reduced transaction vsizes for users that use it.",
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      "payload": "gmaxwell: this chart is per transaction, not per size aiui",
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      "payload": "luke-jr: I don't think there is 'need' here at all.",
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      "payload": "aj: well then that charts useless, because e.g. it would say fees went up when users simply started batching instead of behaving stupidly.",
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      "payload": "gmaxwell: sure",
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      "payload": "my personal opinion is that it's fine to encourage people to look into this and choose their own minima, but there's really not a big deal",
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      "payload": "sipa: dunno. people noticing the mempool frequently being near empty, suggested lowering the fee. PT suggested doing nothing unless eliminating it entirely, and I think that it would be a waste of time to try to do that.",
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      "payload": "gmaxwell: I agree; the need however is not common, so encouraging users to act when only desire rather than need may be good",
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      "payload": "sipa: without nodes actively using min fee rate to choose who to peer with, user choice seems pointless?",
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